Sonar and Roland JV1080

Do you have the INS file for the JV1080? You can download it from Cakewalknet.

You put the JV in GM Mode by pressing Shift and Perform.

The JV1080, 1010 & 2080, as well as the XP60 and XP80, operate pretty much the same way, but it IS different from the Korg stuff... the terminology was what tripped me up.
I use an XP60 (which sound-engine wise IS the 1080) and a JV1010 (which sound-engine wise IS the 2080)...

Multitembral mode on Roland gear is called a performance, so the Roland must be in "Performance" mode to play multiple instruments.
It sounds like you are in "Patch" mode (there is also a Rhythm mode for just playing drums), which will only let you play one at a time.

On the 1080:
Once you have the 1080 in "Performance" mode, you can select instruments on channals 1-16, and the Roland will change the instruments on "Part" 1-16 accordingly. By default, channel/part 10 will be the drum part.
Set the 1080's "Performance Ctrl Channel" to channel 1.

In Sonar:
Now... import the Roland JV1080's Patch, Performance and Rhythm instrument definitions into Sonar via the Assign Instruments dialog and...
set the output channel for the 1080's Rhythm ins to channel 10...
set the output channel for the 1080's Performance ins to channel 1...
and set the rest of the channels to the 1080's Patch ins...
Close the dialog.

Now, you'll be able to turn on Sonar and the JV1080, select a 1080 Performance (there are several of these) on channel 1, select a rhythm part on channel 10, and select patches on channels 2-9 and 11-16.
I do this all the time and it works great...

Keep in mind that a "Layer" Performance in the 1080 is not what you want for this functionality, so select Performances that are "Single" Performances. This is defined via the "Key Mode" parameter on the JV1080 itself. Select the instruments for multitembral playback on any "Key Mode: Single" Performance.

Good luck... give it a few weeks to sink in and then you can start playing around with effects/chorus/reverb settings and sysex dumps to Sonar. You can do quite a bit with Sonar and the 1080.

- zevo

If you have any questions, post back.

Funny. I have the JV1080 and a Korg.
I can't for the life of me figure out stuff in the Korg. The JV is a piece of cake:)
I just leave the JV in performance mode. That's all you really need. You can a assign a GM layer to a performance if you want.

Multitembral mode on Roland gear is called a performance, so the Roland must be in "Performance" mode to play multiple instruments.
It sounds like you are in "Patch" mode (there is also a Rhythm mode for just playing drums), which will only let you play one at a time.

On the 1080:
Once you have the 1080 in "Performance" mode, you can select instruments on channals 1-16, and the Roland will change the instruments on "Part" 1-16 accordingly. By default, channel/part 10 will be the drum part.
Set the 1080's "Performance Ctrl Channel" to channel 1.

In Sonar:
Now... import the Roland JV1080's Patch, Performance and Rhythm instrument definitions into Sonar via the Assign Instruments dialog and...
set the output channel for the 1080's Rhythm ins to channel 10...
set the output channel for the 1080's Performance ins to channel 1...
and set the rest of the channels to the 1080's Patch ins...
Close the dialog.

Hi inmazevo,,, I'm still wrestling with this myself, too. I got the instrument definitions set up in sonar, but if I try to load sounds on more than one channel, they all seem to change to the latest voice. In my Alesis you could assign voices from your host, without having to save them as a performance in the unit. If I'm reading what you are saying correctly, you are making performances in the Roland, saving that performance and selecting the performance from Sonar??

ORIGINAL: bmdaustin

The trick is to make sure, in editing or creating your default performance (I named mine "Multitimbral"), that you go through and set each part to a separate midi channel. Some of the factory Performances have multiple parts responding on the same channel so you get a massive layered sound or a performance with several splits across the keyboard. In any case, go through, part by part, and set the midi channel to correspond to the part and you're good to go. You'll never have to touch the 1080 again. With the INS file loaded in Sonar, you can select any sound in the box from within Sonar via the bank and patch fields in the track properties (I/O) box.

That may be the piece of the puzzle I was missing. I assumed it would broadcast each part to a separate channel. Never thought to go in and check the layers. Thanks Paul.

R!Soc,,, thanks so much for posting this!! That helped me a lot!

I made a Peformance called Sonar Set Up, and put it in the first Patch spot as you suggested. Everything is working fine now. Taking this a step further, and since I now have the benefit of Track Templets in Sonar 5, I've created my first ensemble set up.

To do this, I set up a stereo audio track routed to the input of my soundcard that I use for the XP input and a MIDI track from the Synth Rack. I then cloned 3 tracks of that MIDI track, because I wanted 4 voices in ensemble. I needed to change the MIDI channel of the three cloned tracks to subsequently be channel 2,3, and 4. Now I selected the voice I wanted on midi track one in the first track, and repeated that for each of the next three tracks. I then saved this as a Track Templet in Sonar, and created a folder for XP Ensembles to store it in. Woo Hoo,,, I now have a track templet for my first XP ensemble. Doing this is the equivalent of creating a Performance, in the XP, but it's all stored in a Sonar track instead. This is the way I've wanted it to work all along!!

This is the equivalent of a Combination in Sampletank.

In the "olden days" I used to set up performaces in my multi timbral synths, and save them. Then I set a performance patch change command at the beginning of a track to select the performance for the project, but you needed to assign the voices in the synth, instead of the instrument definition lists in the sequencer. I see that if I set up something and I want to save it in the synth as a performance, I can, by making edits to this basic set up and saving it to a different performance location. This gives us the best of both worlds, while keeping the patch selection conveniently in Sonar.

Thanks again for the help, you guys!

And thanks Brett, for tolerating me jumping on your thread.

Hi guys!

Please don't just use your Roland synths in GM-mode. There is sooo much more in there.

Also note that most Roland synths have a Performance Control Channel that when sent a Program Change message can change the whole Performance. Default is channel 16 I believe. This can also be turned off if you want to be able to control all 16 channels from your host.

Best Regards
Ludvig

Well, hold on,, I need more help,,, lol.


Everything was working fine, until I tried recording with my new set up. When I arm a track to record and start it rolling, the sound goes dead. I can see the notes going into the track, but I hear no sound. The indicator on the synth,,, I'm using an XP 60,,, displays a little star in front of the name, which I know indicates that something in the performance has changed. If I change it to a different performance and go back to my Sonar Performance, the track plays. If I move the new clip to a midi track for a softsynth, such as Dimension, it plays Dimension fine. I've been checking my midi notes, and nothing seems to be out of order. Any ideas??

Try turn off the C.C. switch in "system" mode. I had the same problem with the XP80 and later the JV1080, but turn off this switch corrected this problem for me. Also, make sure the track volumes in SONAR are not set to "0" as this will send midi volume control messages to the JV1080.
HTH!!!

ORIGINAL: Brett
I have a JV1080 and I've never been able to get it to play in multi timbre mode. I've read the manual a dozen times but I still don't get it.

With my Korg N5, i just set tracks, each with different midi ports and pathces; and the Korg plays each track as per the instrument selected. But the JV only responds to midi port 1. I can't see any way of making it respond in the same way as the Korg, not even in GM mode.

The manual is very vague about this. Am I missing something?
Brett

Are you still having problems?

when you say multi timbral, do you mean performance mode?
when you say 'midi port', do you mean 'midi channel?

and, I'm not clear what you mean 'get it to play'?

That said, I've been using the JV since it came out. What was that like 15 years ago.
It is a great synth. I have some ins files that I have been using with it for about that long. The thing is, you don't use an ins file to access different performance. The way I use it is to just turn it on and it defaults to performance 1. Then you can select patches in Sonar. Or, on the unit itself within the performance. However, if you do this, anything you do in Sonar will overide what you did in the JV. I used to use the sysx a lot to store the performance settings and then when I opened a file it was always the same. But, not much anymore.

It's been so long since I set the thing up but, if you could clarify your problem a little, I can take a look.

Now, if you can tell me how to turn off the effects in my Korg TR-Rack either globally forever (preferable) or via sysx per patch that would be wonderful:)
Tim

The default Performance thing is a GREAT idea.
That's similar to what I'm doing... I just end up with 32 default Performances (since there are 32 User Performance slots per Sound Set on the XP60)...
Each Performance can have its own EFX/Chorus/Reverb settings, so having 32 of them is great fun.

I also have a bunch of old midi songs on XP60 floppy disks that I'm porting into Sonar, so until I'm extremely well-versed in sysex dumps I'm saving each song's Performance to a User slot, getting the midi into Sonar, and selecting that Performance from Sonar when it plays back.
It seems to be working well, and over time I can continue to take each song's original version and port to virtual instruments, other hardware gear, other Patch selections on the XP, etc.
It's also extremely useful to control the midi part settings on the XP and JV from Sonar's Console... not flipping through menus...

Now, instead of 15 floppy disks full of sequences, I've got one floppy (plus backups of course) full of Sound Sets.

It's still considerably more time consuming than Virtual Instruments, but you save a lot of processing power using some outboard gear.

Take care and have fun,
- zevo

Well, welcome!

How the heck are you? It's been a few years!

-Susan

The Yahoo group for the JV series has Cakewalk ins files for the JV expansion boards.
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Roland-Super-JV/
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Roland-Super-JV/files/Cakewalk/

I haven't checked them out yet.
You probably have to sign up to get them

Brett

ORIGINAL: harmony gardens

ORIGINAL: whattarush

Try turn off the C.C. switch in "system" mode. I had the same problem with the XP80 and later the JV1080, but turn off this switch corrected this problem for me. Also, make sure the track volumes in SONAR are not set to "0" as this will send midi volume control messages to the JV1080.
HTH!!!

Thanks whattarush. I can't seem to find a C.C. switch in the system menu. Any clues on how to find it?? Thanks

Simple. Just press the "system" button. press the down button until you get to the "receive midi" page, and turn off "c.c". HTH!!!

ORIGINAL: inmazevo
In Sonar:
Now... import the Roland JV1080's Patch, Performance and Rhythm instrument definitions into Sonar via the Assign Instruments dialog and...
set the output channel for the 1080's Rhythm ins to channel 10...
set the output channel for the 1080's Performance ins to channel 1...
and set the rest of the channels to the 1080's Patch ins...
Close the dialog.

Hm...interesting. I have a JV1010 and I've always had all midi channels set to patch ins (apart from channel 10, which is set to rythm ins). Why do you set midi channel 1 to performance?

I assume this is to quickly call up a whole performance in the JV, without having to change every single midichannel in Sonar. Since I have a JV1010 performances is a tricky subject and despite that I've used it a lot over the last 6-7 years I've never been able to programme a performance...and I don't need to. Sonar does it for me these days. Just use track templates instead. Set up your "performance" they way you want it in Sonar and then save it as a track template. The thing you're missing is to be able to change the effects, etc. but I've never really used JV1010's effects anyway.