Sonar and SSDs

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2015/02/02 01:31:09 (permalink)

Sonar and SSDs

Hey, will i get any benefit from installing an SSD, does Sonar respond to that or will it make no difference? Many benefits computer-wise i know, but will it benefit Sonar? 
 
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    Sanderxpander
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 01:35:13 (permalink)
    Only in the same way that it will benefit computer operation in general. Way faster loading of the core program and samples, more bandwidth for audio tracks (if also recording to it).
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 01:42:57 (permalink)
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    Way faster loading of the core program and samples



    That reason alone is good enough for me.
     
    Call me impatient or whatever, but i hate drawn-out slowish load times when it comes to DAW projects. Even 10 seconds waiting is enough to test my patience. It gives me a buzz when i see any computer program snap to it ready for use within seconds.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 02:35:56 (permalink)
    Been using them for a while now-speed is worth it, no doubt 
    My desktop and my laptop both have SSD for OS/app C: drives

     
     
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 03:53:08 (permalink)
    I have 2 ssds and it's wonderful... with 7 drives total, I recently had a single platter fast drive fail and ended up temporarily re-pointing some Sample Logic files to an external backup drive... it is sooooooooooo slow I'd forgot what even a difference a fast normal drive is, let alone the ssd...
     
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 09:03:40 (permalink)
    It's been answered, but I want to also add to the SSD fan club. Watching Sonar open and be ready for use in blistering time is a joy and reason enough for me to always want to keep an SSD drive powering the OS. Plus as the others mentioned, samples and loops are another area I see a big improvement.

     
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 09:10:52 (permalink)
    I have 2 SSD's ...if I could afford it all my drives would
    be SSD's....


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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 10:00:24 (permalink)
    The most obvious benefit is for load speed of programs. My system boots in about 15 seconds or less.
    As others say its also beneficial for storing samples and other stuff that requires fast dynamic access. If you can afford the cost per MB then its great for audio as well. In most cases however the throughput of a normal hard disk is not a bottleneck for audio streaming. You could put your picture cache on an SSD however since that will greatly speed up waveform generation and drawing and not require a ton of space.

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 10:30:51 (permalink)
    There other benefit that gets too rarely mentioned is that they're silent. My music computer now contains no fans and very few other moving parts. I've still got a whirry big audio drive, but that's it. As soon as I manage to replace that, the computer will be entirely silent.
     

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 11:03:40 (permalink)
    Looks unanimous. Thanks guys, i'm convinced. The latest Samsung 580 Pro looks to be the go for me. So the benefits all-up...
     
    1: Silent
    2: No moving parts that might be susceptible to malfunctioning
    3: Uses much less battery power
    4: Loads everything super-quick
    5: Laptop ends-up weighing less
     
    Can't see any negatives from where i'm standing. Looking good. Every advantage helps when making music. Cheers.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 11:04:08 (permalink)
    John T
    There other benefit that gets too rarely mentioned is that they're silent. My music computer now contains no fans and very few other moving parts. I've still got a whirry big audio drive, but that's it. As soon as I manage to replace that, the computer will be entirely silent.
     



    And that the generate almost no heat like a high RPM hard drive does...which helps keep things kewl
    in the case...


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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 11:12:50 (permalink)
    Possible drawbacks are supposedly a limited lifespan (depending on how much writing occurs) and that you need to keep 10 to 20 percent free in order to have the controller spread data evenly across the disk.

    My disk has been in my laptop for three years with no issues by the way.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 13:16:28 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander
    Possible drawbacks are supposedly a limited lifespan (depending on how much writing occurs) and that you need to keep 10 to 20 percent free in order to have the controller spread data evenly


    The Samsung 580 Pro has a 10 year guarantee, double that of any other brand. It also is stated by Samsung to have a 150 Terabyte write-life and a new superior internal memory array structure for improved general reliability. According to this it looks like I won't have much to worry about.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 14:11:56 (permalink)
    I don't regret the switch to SSDs one bit, its a great move. Another benefit for me is it forced me to keep my os/apps more organized, with space being at a premium. Been using them for a year or two now with no negatives to report.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 14:32:58 (permalink)
    If you have never owned an SSD before, there are a few dos and don'ts with them. They excel at reading quickly but excessive writing to them can degrade their longevity (do not defragment them). You can google around for things regarding this, but a couple good links are below -
     
    http://www.maketecheasier.com/12-things-you-must-do-when-running-a-solid-state-drive-in-windows-7/
     
    http://www.howtogeek.com/165472/6-things-you-shouldnt-do-with-solid-state-drives/
     

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 14:58:53 (permalink)
    Noel, C3 really needs to be fixed so that we can specify a specified install destination for every component. It should also allow each component to be uninstalled. I have 2 SSDs, one supposedly an OS-only, limited size SSD. The other is supposedly specifically for music apps, VSTs and samples. However C3 only allows us to specify VST locations.
     
    I've already asked in these forms (with no replies) about how to uninstall DimPro and Rapture because they were installed to my C drive. Supposedly we can specify an install destination when we run the installers manually, but how do I first uninstall them since they cannot be uninstalled from either C3 nor Add/Remove Programs?
     
    Other than that and a few remaining bugs I love Sonar Platinum, don't get me wrong
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 16:37:57 (permalink)
    Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
    You could put your picture cache on an SSD however since that will greatly speed up waveform generation and drawing and not require a ton of space.


    I've just realised what a brilliant tip that is. Really improves project start-up times, but doesn't cost a load of money.

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 17:32:15 (permalink)
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    Possible drawbacks are supposedly a limited lifespan (depending on how much writing occurs) and that you need to keep 10 to 20 percent free in order to have the controller spread data evenly


    The Samsung 580 Pro has a 10 year guarantee, double that of any other brand. It also is stated by Samsung to have a 150 Terabyte write-life and a new superior internal memory array structure for improved general reliability. According to this it looks like I won't have much to worry about.

    I also really doubt you'll run into issues, but it's only fair to point out possible weak points in addition to the strong ones, as I'm sure you'll agree :)

    Just saying that in general, SSD longevity is considered a little less than for traditional HDDs.

    For instance, Samsung also had a pretty serious firmware error in their 840 EVO series. I caught mine in time, thankfully. But SSDs have their own tech with its own pitfalls.
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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 18:10:43 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander is quite right to point this out. Realistically, it's not going to come up all that much for serious audio types, as we'll generally be needing to buy more drive space long before the write limit failure arrives even on a stone tablet, but it's worth being aware of.

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/02 18:12:54 (permalink)
    I'm currently working with a 40gb project and that's even before we start overdubs. Stuff is getting bigger and bigger, I find. Admirably, Sonar is happy to play the full five hours of it in one project without complaint or struggle.

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    Re: Sonar and SSDs 2015/02/03 01:20:15 (permalink)
    All Samples should be placed on SSDS because samples are read only and not being written on at various times.  Just put the samples on their once and leave it alone.  This should allow the SSD to last a long time at a very fast rate with super low latency.
     
    I am not sure about using one for recording all the time.  I have not caught up on whether the SSD will slow down upon lots of re-writes which occurs on a dedicated audio recording disk.  I suppose others know whether these older hurdles are no longer relevant.
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