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2017/01/25 19:48:58 (permalink)

Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start...

I got me a Sub Phatty yesterday and I love it to bits. I'm trying to get it integrated into my workflow in Sonar and I'm having a few issues:
 
Issues with the Sub Phatty Editor Plugin (possibly not Sonar specific)
- There are two versions of the editor supplied, the "Virtual Instrument" version doesn't show in Sonar but the other version does.
- The VST plugin gives a "Hardware not found" notice. 
 
Edit: I have found out there is a known issue with the current VI release of the Sub Phatty editor, and it doesn't show in Sonar. I will be testing a beta release of the plugin.
 
Issue with playback and recording (not really Sub Phatty specific)
- I have the Sub Phatty line out going to one channel on my Focusrite 2i4, and this is routed to an audio track in Sonar.
- I have the Sub Phatty as a controller in Sonar.
- I have a midi track using the input from my A-800PRO routed out to the midi input of the Sub Phatty
 
After a little tweaking, this is working and I can play the sub phatty using the A-800, which is great.
 
However when I play back with midi recorded on the midi track, the audio track from the sub phatty isn't monitored. It is only monitored if I record. It's a little frustrating because as soon as I stop the transport I can hear the tail of the playback! Same is true during recording of the midi track, I have to arm the audio track to monitor it, which results in a lot of takes I don't want. I have had similar situations to this before, and I can't work out what I have to change to get that track monitored during playback, any clues?
 
Would absolutely love to hear from someone who has a Sub Phatty working nicely with Sonar, google isn't helping me much with this setup.
post edited by robotecho - 2017/01/26 16:18:33

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. 2017/01/25 19:59:59 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby robotecho 2017/01/25 20:11:51

post edited by Caa2 - 2017/01/27 20:28:41


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Re: Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start... 2017/01/25 20:12:59 (permalink)
@Caa2 You are a legend. That little checkbox has somehow eluded me. You've solved half my problem and a nagging issue right there, thanks so much.

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Re: Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start... 2017/01/26 13:56:20 (permalink)
Sorry to hear about your plugin issues. Can you help me understand them?
 
From what I understand, if this is the plugin you're talking about, then I'm not really sure what the virtual instrument version would be (perhaps a simulator of the instrument?)
 
In terms of the editor plugin, this is how I assume it works:
 
The Moog editor plugin sends MIDI messages to the synthesizer to tell it to do stuff. Those MIDI messages need to be sent to your synth over a hardware MIDI output from SONAR. 
 
Here's where I get confused... if the plugin is an audio plugin, then I guess what you'd do is drop it on on a track and then, in the plugin UI window, click the arrow pointing down next to the VST3 (or VST2) menu. There should be an option to enable MIDI output. With that option enabled, it should be able to send MIDI to the hardware out that routes to your synth. I assume there's an option when enabling MIDI output to select where that output goes to... but I've actually never done it so I'm not sure.
 
Unfortunately I can't download the plugin to try myself... but as the description says that it sends MIDI this is the first thing I thought of (that setting's not exactly easy to find.) 
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Re: Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start... 2017/01/26 16:28:17 (permalink)
Hi John, thanks for your reply.
 
I don't fully understand how it works either!!! The basic version of the plugin allows you to manage and load patches stored on the computer to the Sub Phatty via midi.
 
My hope is that the VI version will also route midi to the synth as though it were a virtual instrument. Currently I am achieving that by adding the synth as a controller, but this seems to conflict with the plugin (it gives a hardware not found notice). So using it that way you lose the patch recall by the DAW, which is obviously a pretty useful feature.
 
I did some more digging yesterday and it turns out there is a known issue with the current release version of the Virtual Instrument version of the plugin that stops it being discovered in Sonar.
 
They've let me into the beta testing group over at Moog and I'm going to test the latest beta version of the plugin.
 
I'll report back on how this goes and how well it integrates with Sonar.

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Re: Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start... 2017/01/26 17:14:30 (permalink)
Did you try that VST dropdown in the plugin window?
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Re: Sonar and my new Moog Sub Phatty are having a bit of a rough start... 2017/01/27 06:36:41 (permalink)
Hi John, thanks for the tip. I have checked that, midi output is NOT enabled, but if I check it when I open the options again it is unchecked, so I'm not sure what is going on there?
 
The basic version of the editor seems to work, and is able to exchange midi information with the Sub Phatty, and change patches and control parameters.
 
However it doesn't seem to provide any options to route midi to the Sub Phatty from other controllers or recorded midi, and it doesn't record midi from the Sub Phatty, so it's of limited use to me.
 
I am hoping the VI version will do this, but I can't load it. At this point I pretty much have to wait for Moog to come out with the next beta, and keep my fingers crossed.

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