Sonar crashes on exit

I do not see the issue when I close Sonar. 
 
I see from your signature that you are running X3 and Windows 7 is that still the case? 
 
 
 

I reported that same problem. It has bern ongoing for welll over a year. Put in a CB report, never heard back and don't expect to either. Ticks me off that someone from Cakewalk showed a method of displaying the mini dump files. I know where they are, i have dozens of them. If only i could read them!
Anyway, it seems like Amplitube 4, both VST 2 and 3, may be the culprit, but I use Amplitube on most projects so who knows?
If you stomp your feet and whine on the forums better than me sometimes Cakewalk will step in and try to help.

We have since over 10 years a lot of client laptops recording tapes and vinyl with SONAR.
Very stable.
This behaviour and Crashing on Exit was "always" a problem with the audio interface. audio-interface-drivers, cable, USB connection, USB drivers - somewhere is the mistake. 
Win 7 SP1 - ist this right? I would minimum recommend to update to SP2.
After our experience, Windows 10 x64 and SPLAT is rock solid and faster as Windows 7 and the old SONAR X3.
 
 
 

Well, i am on SPLAT and it is happening. I hsve waited upwards of 2 or 3 minutes and still had it crash upon exit. Tried closing the project befire exiting, it crashes upon closing. Of course this is an intermittent problem. I assume it is a particular vst, or maybe too many VI's... Who knows?
If i could read the mini dump file.
After so many attempts over the years, I'll just switch DAWs when i finally become frustrsted enough.

Along with all the other helpful questions and comments already posted, I'll ask if you are running Melodyne in the projects that cause Sonar to crash on exit.   That happened to me for awhile when Melodyne Studio was used as a clip insert, and the track wasn't frozen or bounced down.

Any of these suggestions in this thread helpful to you?

Sir Les
Blame it on the rain...?

Yeah, thanks.  Now that's stuck in my head!  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZVrTaC9Pg
 

Why does Sonar still crashes? Regardless, this is just unacceptable. And if you do and must crash, give a useful error message not some generic crap. So that the user have an idea what's causing the issue.
 
Come on Cakewalk: It's 2017!

Slugbaby

Sir Les
Blame it on the rain...?

Yeah, thanks.  Now that's stuck in my head!  


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiZVrTaC9Pg
 

 
yes but it soon, when shaken, not stirred,... moves to the heart of the matter....baptizing from above, keeps it clean, in his Truth, and trusting ways to heal us, as the body needs refreshing, to over come the con!...We are not disposable pawns for mistrust, nor to be mistrusted to be spied on, or mislead down unending troubles to pay for waiting on solutions, or for them to be forthcoming from those who put err into, to charge for ever be never solved.....If we be of a Truth in the body...Then truth must come of the body, as foretold, He did say,...So  says the Lord...and he washed up in a place in the Jorden,With John as brother, and Mary as Sister, where many came to see, and hear it spoken on z mound called Earth.....Be in the light as the darkness, or in the darkness as the light....Be good onto those who hate you....And do the righteous things, be in the Truth, always...Stand in the Best foot forward...And no AI, or machine will solve.....Life is With The Truth of Him...He said, no idols be a sacrifice made onto.....And they did do that....Be mindful of what you work for,....It may lead many to ruin!
 
Just to keep it in the head as marker, is not putting it into the heart to do...and the doing part...well that said and done...if so not...get to it.....And it all fades away...In his word is a way...To be alive and well tended...His things are Given ....So, do not let them mislead you in the other way..Anti to his way....Is it given?....if sold, does it work?...if not working but says it does...but has issues....Must be a reason?....Solve...Yet when solved, it is turned to not working again by third hands doing a change of setup.....And wars wage on while trying to get this thing..(not living) working to do what?.....Are we blind to the world doing the ugly things to life?....or do we blind our selves to not see, yet hope it is keeping us out of troubles?...Yet so many are finding it starting to not be what we thought it was...A aid...has become a hinderance to doing anything proper, if one can...if it is working, it comes to not working.....And not solving...and no one can solve for...Because they ..whom ever they be, do not want solutions to the cash cow...no no no....and so, the word to Give, or is Given rights to tend and keep life.....As was given dominion to Human...Has become not so natured...But denatured..unnatural...and is now given up to the IDOL...sacrificing life on a very wide scale......Why?.
 
In the head, it will only rot your mind....Put it in your heart...and body to do what is righteous .....Did not Noah save Life?...or did he save death?....either way, only a boat was used to carry it on to this ...if so is so.
 
A human saved life to be, Given back onto as was Given....So as was, is, as is was...There is no other way.
 
 
And sow, the seeds of life back onto Life...what machine?....use your own hands!
 
 
Now that is putting it Proper....if you cannot do this simple thing for life...the whole world needs helpers...But the Earth need solutions to pollution and ill care.
 
Now, if you can solve for changing  variables of unknowns...constant change ups they put into it, as a machine...Do you think anyone can solve here?..if they did not put in the changes?....Ask ...who did do this?....MS OS and some others always needing updates.
 
 
And so, here it is....one thing...Opposites....He said do not make bad good, and good bad....Now if it was good, once upon a time...what made it bad?.......Idols taints,..then sin enters,....then evil is born through...and mistrust is then to defile.
 
And that is already in the world done!
 
So, what play is this?...Game?...Let us go hunting then!....It is principles ...ethics...moral code of the living being voilated...because of...something told not to make more important than His word and will or his own self....Flesh is used to make death..or be dead...or is dead?...Who is raising them back to learn who can raise them back to ...Being of something but not in total Truth as was made?.....yet they dance, and they sing, and they make movies...and are in the police, courts and institutions based on that IDOL put back into play...what does not mix...is mixing..into by some bent people...sodomites?...oh we know where they came from...But why are they here?....IDOL...be the cash cow....And if sacrificing upon it life....Good people as pawns.....What remains?
 
 
circles pointing the finger at?...a unsolvable problem, Cakewalk , or users of the machine, cannot solve for...if it keeps being put back, or moved, or re enabled...by other........
 
 
Then do not waste any time trying!.....I say!...So I paid for life time updates and walked to try other things...some say do not have that problem.
 
 
Did it help?....Sure, but still tied to the idol.....it does not help me make a Garden....But I did that first without money in mind...or used.
 
And gave some back...hopefully untainted....Could be why, I was born dumb....so I would not be listening to those saying, or doing other things....Children do kind of like to play outside...under the sun, with living things being kind to them....be kind to them..AND ...Is it not returned the kindness when of pure heart towards done..a good thing?....Ah The Holy Father says...Be good...Be part...Be US...Life!...and nothing is beyond reason to do, if it remains in line, and doing the best one can do for...the WHOLE CREATION OF LIFE WAS Made a Helpers?... Shared all things for it to flurish into More was asked...another helper made!...where is the error or Impedance coming from at 8 billion, plus so many killed not doing it properly//....Ask who?....Oh they killed him....Perhaps one reasoning it out....Might solve for the self worth of...Opposites in play...might mean it is not done as asked now..for surely war is looming.....And what reason?....Oh they have what we have as a weapon and will done, or will do or have done always doing?...Interesting....and mistrust put into the machine...surely to spy out any whom might stumble onto the truth....Be silenced by ....And murder also...and others tooting fruity tooty things, ...down the streets of misfortune...Watching what tragic events unfold...As told would be if....
 
Now solve for...By taking it out of the head, and put it into the heart....And fulfill something beautiful...not in opposition of the Truth of his....But towards it being....And be saved....Oh they hate the Truth....But they cannot deny it anymore either.
 
Or...Keep trying to solve this crap shoot...or walk way singing and playing music...any way you can..and sow some trees, and bushes, and bring life of life back to health with the Truth with you.....and no sin. means no death.,...do not listen to them....they are here solving unsolvable problems, because unsolvable Problems for them is money in the pocket...tech support plan b, and c and d...already in play by MS....go....look...pay...play the fool....lol
 
 
lol

Audioicon
Why does Sonar still crashes? Regardless, this is just unacceptable. And if you do and must crash, give a useful error message not some generic crap. So that the user have an idea what's causing the issue.
 
Come on Cakewalk: It's 2017!

Computers are complex. More complex than you or I can comprehend. I freely admit this despite being someone who's been immersed in that world for a very long time.
 
If SONAR was to tell you exactly what the cause was, would you even understand the message? When was the last time you looked at the Windows Event Log, much less ran a crash dump analysis? My guess is never, because it would mean nothing to you.
 
SONAR actually does give plenty of useful information, usually enough to troubleshoot most problems, or at least to identify the culprit. So the next time you experience a crash, tell CW about it and send them the crash dump. Sure, it's 2017 and we still don't have flying cars. But you're not going to get them by yelling what year it is.

bitflipper
When was the last time you looked at the Windows Event Log, much less ran a crash dump analysis?
My guess is never, because it would mean nothing to you.

And by the way, I do not used Consumer Windows OS. I run Sonar on Windows Server 2012 R2 64.
See my other post on this.

chuckebaby

Audioicon

bitflipper
When was the last time you looked at the Windows Event Log, much less ran a crash dump analysis?
My guess is never, because it would mean nothing to you.

And by the way, I do not used Consumer Windows OS. I run Sonar on Windows Server 2012 R2 64.
See my other post on this.

 
 
I have heard some good things about running DAW's on server editions but I don't think I would try to problem solve on one. Sonar has never supported Windows server.

I wasn't recommending Windows Server as a solution but rather as my choice for systems.
In addition to Sonar, I run everything else on Servers.

I have been using Windows Server and it works flawlessly with very little to no issues. I also have OZone 8 running on the Same Server Instance with SoundForge and CD Architect. 

Zargg

Audioicon

bitflipper
When was the last time you looked at the Windows Event Log, much less ran a crash dump analysis?
My guess is never, because it would mean nothing to you.

And by the way, I do not used Consumer Windows OS. I run Sonar on Windows Server 2012 R2 64.
See my other post on this.

Hi. I don't remember if I read it on this forum or another, but it seems (some people strongly mean that) Windows Server (in general) are not the best to run a DAW on. I am by no means pc savvy, and have no knowledge of why, but thought I'd mention seeing it.
I will look and see if I can find the thread, and post it here.
All the best.

There are always valid arguments on both sides.
I have all of my production software on another Server:
PhotoShop, Dreamweaver, the entire Adobe Suite and Video editing and I have never had issues.

Importantly, the server runs and stay out of my way, it is enterprise systems and you are not going to have the issues you have on Consumer Windows but this setup is not for everyone.

Like this: "Windows have install updates and must shutdown." :)
 

There should be no problem whatsoever running SONAR on Windows Server 2012, with the possible exception of a few unnecessary background processes. 
 
I happen to share Audioicon's point of view: there are definitely things a developer can do to make software more robust. My own software is mission-critical, meaning a showstopper bug can literally shut down a business and cost people real money. When it takes an error, it offers explanations in plain English (or French), automatically reports the error to me via email, and maintains extensive logs for post-mortem troubleshooting. Users don't call a middle man for help, they call me, the guy who wrote the software, and I answer the phone 24x7. 
 
But - and this is a big But - I also charge a lot of money for my products and services. It is unrealistic to expect that level of bulletproofing in a $500 consumer package.

bitflipper
Also, Audioicon, I want to extend an apology for assuming you don't know how to read a crash dump. 

No need to apologize, but I accept. I think in many ways you are correct, not everyone will understand Crash Dumps and Event logs.

I was thinking this may benefit Cakewalk in the long run if errors were easier to understand, this way users can post issues with less ambiguity. 

Someone saying "Sonar Crashes." Well, that could mean a million reasons and most may crashes may have nothing to do with Sonar but because errors are not easily interpreted for the user, Sonar gets the beating.

Again, I wasn't offended but thanks!

AI

I consistently get such error , when I save a CWP to a Bundle file. I get an error at the very end when Sonar exits; just prior to confirming that it went well. I do however get a CWB file which can be opened and modified. I always wondered if this error has any consequences.