Kevin Lee
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Sonar does not need Automation Track?
It seems Sonar is the only DAW that doesn't have automation track.
Do you ever feel that automation track is needed when drawing and editing automation data in Sonar?
I'm desperately needed.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 06:54:04
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I'm not saying moving the automation data to another track through Synth Tab. I need seperate automation track per parameter.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:08:16
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you can create several bus tracks for each automation you need!
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:14:20
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really?? can I automate Synth and Effect through bus? How?? plz tell me
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:15:03
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I haven't used tracks or lanes but doesn't the edit filter achieve the same goal? With your chosen parameter selected you have a track solely for drawing that particular automation.
Am I missing something about tracks/lanes? Genuine question BTW.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:19:33
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I can see why people would like the option, yes. It's easier to look at and see what you've done.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:35:40
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I haven't used tracks or lanes but doesn't the edit filter achieve the same goal? With your chosen parameter selected you have a track solely for drawing that particular automation.
Am I missing something about tracks/lanes? Genuine question BTW.
Yes that's what I've been doing. But when it comes to several automation data, it's hard to select certain autoamtion by Shift Clicking. Because other automation sometims obscure automation I want! Via edit filter? Yes I can choose them without problem but the plugins I use have tons of parameter and it's very painful to find the parameter I want. The easiest way of doing this is just click W, and record movement in realtime, go to Track view, and re-edit it precisely meticulously I want. Beside editing automation is not flexible than any other DAW. It's worst!!! alt click and drag, it seems fine when I watched the tutorial by cakewalk. In reality I have to focus on my mouse position to precisely click the automation line. Sometimes I need Snap the automation node but I don't even know node is snaped or not when I moving it evne though snap setting is on the High. Also it's hard to see and fit into Time Ruler 'MBT' above the track view when it comes to automation editing. Just complaining sorry if I was rude
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:44:30
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Plus I wish I could draw automation like Envelope module from Rapture and Dimension Pro. and 'Perfect' snap option in the Snap to grid tab in the preference menu. next to the 'hard' option
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:48:49
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insert a bus track....be careful to have” All”...up, on trackview...then go to the bus strip and click on the arrow near ”none” there you can assign various automatiton lines...as you desire...if you want to edit a specific automation line...use again that arrow...you can have as much as you want automation lines in the same track but only that that is enabled is editable...the others remaines in background. you can work and edit very fast with that sistem...
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 07:57:52
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Thanks to reply. I've set that' to 'All' and created a new stereo bus. But I don't see any plugin automation menu except ProChannel.
Anyway thanks for your suggestion.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 08:06:14
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on the track view on the first line....after bus name window...mute, solo and wave buttons there is another window where is written by default ”none”..also with a little down arrow...click on that arrow and you will see all the automation posibilities
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 08:14:36
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the busses automation will only automate the parameters on the track, not any synths with the audio routed to it, the edit filter is where the automation is assigned, no separate track/lane (like cubase/fl studio) for automation, unless you want to create multiple midi tracks routed to the one synth, to automate one parameter at a time
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 08:38:49
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if you have to automatize all parameters of a soft synth insert one...as instrument track, then enter on the ”clips” window....and down on the list you will find all parameters ready to be automatised graphically
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 08:42:38
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FastBikerBoy I haven't used tracks or lanes but doesn't the edit filter achieve the same goal? With your chosen parameter selected you have a track solely for drawing that particular automation Am I missing something about tracks/lanes? Genuine question BTW............................. Yes that's what I've been doing. But when it comes to several automation data, it's hard to select certain autoamtion by Shift Clicking. Because other automation sometims obscure automation I want!
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 08:47:46
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FastBikerBoy I haven't used tracks or lanes but doesn't the edit filter achieve the same goal? With your chosen parameter selected you have a track solely for drawing that particular automation Am I missing something about tracks/lanes? Genuine question BTW............................. Yes that's what I've been doing. But when it comes to several automation data, it's hard to select certain autoamtion by Shift Clicking. Because other automation sometims obscure automation I want!
Yes but by using the Edit Filter you negate the need for shift clicking.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 10:13:25
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I find it time consuming to select parameters using the Edit Filter menu, as it shows all parameters, and just a colored box next to the ones that are in use.
It's a lot of scrolling and searching as some synths have hundreds of parameters.
I would like the Edit Filter to actually *filter* out and only show the parameters that are automated. :)
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 10:22:13
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If you need an extra lane for a soft synth just add another midi track and point its output at the existing synth. Then use this new track to add envelopes etc. In fact you can add several midi tracks if you need to keep things separated.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 10:50:12
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Tom Riggs
If you need an extra lane for a soft synth just add another midi track and point its output at the existing synth. Then use this new track to add envelopes etc. In fact you can add several midi tracks if you need to keep things separated.
Thanks for your suggestion I really wish this works but failed. I can create MIDI automation(not synth parameters but basic PitchBend and Mod Wheel, controller number and channel etc.) by choosing MIDI option under the MIDI automation menu via Edit Filter of MIDI track. Then route the output to the synth. But it doesn't have abillity to automate output synth. Even Channel 1 Controller 1 which is Modulation wheel doesn't work Anyway thnx to you
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 11:04:13
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You can get to the synth parameters if it uses other cc rpn or nrpn control codes you just need to figure out what they are.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 11:13:31
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Sorry to repeat, but don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big to be really convenient?
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 11:27:36
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Thnx I tried this and under the NRPN, there is all the synth parameters!!!! But weird because it still does not automate the parameter. Why is this exist?? What the hell is the usage of MIDI track automation?
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 11:29:16
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Sorry to repeat, but don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big to be really convenient?
Agree. it must be replace by touch and learn feature.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 11:53:08
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Sorry to repeat, but don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big to be really convenient?
Not really. It is just a matter of either scrolling through to get to the control you want, or, record the automation very roughly, then go back in and edit what you've recorded.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 13:02:29
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cyberzip
Sorry to repeat, but don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big to be really convenient?
Not really.
It is just a matter of either scrolling through to get to the control you want, or, record the automation very roughly, then go back in and edit what you've recorded.
But you can't even see which existing parameters you've automated without going through all the submenus in the Edit Filter...
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 14:08:53
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Visibility of existing envelopes is one of the biggest issue IMO. If we could control the "ghosted" colors, I bet it would be a little easier...
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 15:04:38
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cyberzip
Sorry to repeat, but don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big to be really convenient?
Not really.
It is just a matter of either scrolling through to get to the control you want, or, record the automation very roughly, then go back in and edit what you've recorded.
But you can't even see which existing parameters you've automated without going through all the submenus in the Edit Filter...
I was simply answering your question, "don't you guys find the Edit Filter menu to usually be too big" - my answer is still not really. The parameters have to be displayed somewhere, it's usually quite easy to find the one you want
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 16:37:45
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So what is the answer then? If you have a track per automation data surely after about 5 or so tracks it becomes un-manageble doesn't it? As I see it you have all available on one track (a la previous versions) or you have some way of selecting the data you want to work on (a la X1),
Someone want to enlighten me to a useful alternative?
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/13 16:49:41
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Ableton does it quite nicely. You have a bunch of lanes dangling off the bottom of each track, which you can easily show or hide. I don't think it's a superior approach, particularly, but it is different.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/14 00:30:59
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John T
Ableton does it quite nicely. You have a bunch of lanes dangling off the bottom of each track, which you can easily show or hide. I don't think it's a superior approach, particularly, but it is different.
This is it. Sonar also need some kind of automation folder per track.
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Re:Sonar does not need Automation Track?
2012/03/14 01:25:29
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Tried to quote you but Firefox would not allow it. Anyway once you have the new midi track and the envelopes created you will need to make sure that read automation is turned on for the new midi track. If the new envelopes are not fighting with parameter data from the original midi track this should work.
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