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2016/05/02 09:09:46 (permalink)

Sonar on iMac using Parallels

For neatness mainly, I have been looking at all in one PCs and also the iMac. For years I have been running Sonar X2 Producer, and it does all I need. 
 
Last time I looked at this, I think Bootcamp was the only option for running Windows on a Mac. I went to the Apple Store today and they told me that Parallels is the way to go. 
 
Is anyone running Sonar Producer on an iMac using Parallels? Any issues at all? 
 
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Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 09:24:05 (permalink)
 
Bootcamp is definitely the way to go if you want to run Sonar on a Mac as parallels shares drivers and system resources with OSX.
Also, unless you are running a fairly generic soundcard, you will probably have trouble getting your audio interface (and asio drivers) to run under paralells.
 
And they call them Apple store geniuses??
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Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 09:30:31 (permalink)
Should also add I'm running a Focusrite Pro 14, via Firewire. 
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Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 10:56:32 (permalink)
I've had no experience with Parallels, but I can say that Sonar runs like a champ under Bootcamp. I've been running such for a couple of years now on my second MacPro used only for Sonar/Bootcamp
 

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Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 11:16:13 (permalink)
OK, let's rephrase the question - sounds like Bootcamp is the way to go. I guess an iMac would be be more than powerful enough? 
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    And the connectivity would work too for my Focusrite? I think there is an adapter for firewire to thunderbolt.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 11:36:53 (permalink)
    Can't  say for sure that the firewire/thunderbolt adapter will work, but it should be fine (I have had only one device not play nicely, and it may or may not have been the adapter).
     
    FWIW last year I replaced an iMac with a HP all in one PC that was twice the specs for about half the price, and it has a touchscreen. Worth checking out unless of course you have particular appleware you wish to run.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 12:08:22 (permalink)
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    FWIW last year I replaced an iMac with a HP all in one PC that was twice the specs for about half the price, and it has a touchscreen. Worth checking out unless of course you have particular appleware you wish to run.




    I would almost prefer that being a Sonar user...checking out the usual suppliers of audio PCs in the UK, they don't seem to advertise all in ones. Again, if anyone has a lead on this it would be great. 
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 15:26:03 (permalink)
    I recommend against all-in-ones since they use proprietary hardware and thus are difficult to repair or upgrade, and often cost more. Also monitors tend to outlive computers quite a bit and with an AIO you are tying a monitor to computer hardware so you can have to toss a perfectly good monitor just because the computer has gotten too old to be usable.
     
    However, if you wish to have a Windows AIO then Dell is probably the way to go. An Optiplex 7440 would be a good choice, or an XPS 27 touch.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 16:25:08 (permalink)
    I have tried this with X1, just to see how far I could take it on a MacBook Pro. It was pretty disappointing, but pretty much what I expected.

    The thing with Parallels, VMWare, VirtualBox, etc. running a VM (Virtual Machine) of Windows is that they are emulators, not machines. Your Mac has to carve out a bit of its own data busses, RAM, CPU, etc. to not only run the VM, but maintain its own state. And the Mac's state typically takes priority. When your machine needs to run some rudimentary task, it may rob your VM of valuable resources, even if for only a few seconds.

    Audio/video productions are not tolerant to interruptions from the host (the Mac), and unless you're running a fast Mac Pro, your Mac isn't all that good at running VMs in Parallels or other VM's. Apple does a great job crippling their own hardware to provide longevity and reliability, meanwhile saving some battery power, as in the case of laptops. They also are prone to heat issues, with the smaller footprints of the MacMinis and iMac hardware, sothey have to cripple the hardware to keep heat down.
     
    More, Windows is probably the heaviest OS around. Sonar is demanding, modeled and large plug-ins are demanding, and Parallels is heavy. You need a really beefy Mac running Sonar in Parallels to keep up with a Windows machine costing 1/3 of the Mac price to do the same job or better.
     
    My experience wasn't addressing driver issues, but rather bad audio and slowness of Sonar. Editing was a nightmare.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 16:27:44 (permalink)
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    I recommend against all-in-ones since they use proprietary hardware and thus are difficult to repair or upgrade, and often cost more. Also monitors tend to outlive computers quite a bit and with an AIO you are tying a monitor to computer hardware so you can have to toss a perfectly good monitor just because the computer has gotten too old to be usable.
     
    However, if you wish to have a Windows AIO then Dell is probably the way to go. An Optiplex 7440 would be a good choice, or an XPS 27 touch.


    I agree with this as well. Get a basic machine from Directron.com or someplace like that, buy the basic machine but leave open options to expand, change, etc. I bought a box with extra slots for video card/audio card upgrade potential as time moved on. Never know when you might need four 30" screens and 3 or 4 sound-cards down the road as they become cheaper, but Sonar grows bigger.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/02 21:52:22 (permalink)
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    I recommend against all-in-ones since they use proprietary hardware and thus are difficult to repair or upgrade, and often cost more. Also monitors tend to outlive computers quite a bit and with an AIO you are tying a monitor to computer hardware so you can have to toss a perfectly good monitor just because the computer has gotten too old to be usable.
     
    However, if you wish to have a Windows AIO then Dell is probably the way to go. An Optiplex 7440 would be a good choice, or an XPS 27 touch.


    I agree with this as well. Get a basic machine from Directron.com or someplace like that, buy the basic machine but leave open options to expand, change, etc. I bought a box with extra slots for video card/audio card upgrade potential as time moved on. Never know when you might need four 30" screens and 3 or 4 sound-cards down the road as they become cheaper, but Sonar grows bigger.


     
    Whilst I  agree that a tower PC is clearly the best choice with regard to upgradabilty and flexibility, the repairability is only partially true. I have an all in one that I bought to use as a server for our media room. They have  more  user repairabilty than a laptop. You obviosly can't change the motherboard easily,  but as with a laptop, the 'consumables' like hdd's, power supplies and ram are user changeable. Even the wreless elements are just usb components that are installed internally.
     
    The main disadvantage of an all in one for use as a daw is that unlike a laptop, there is no way to natively run a second monitor. If that doesn't bother you, and as the OP stated you like the look and convenience, there are plenty of options that will run Sonar for many years. With modern PC's you don't necessarily always have to sacrifice style for utility:)

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 09:48:38 (permalink)
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    I recommend against all-in-ones since they use proprietary hardware and thus are difficult to repair or upgrade, and often cost more. Also monitors tend to outlive computers quite a bit and with an AIO you are tying a monitor to computer hardware so you can have to toss a perfectly good monitor just because the computer has gotten too old to be usable.
     
    However, if you wish to have a Windows AIO then Dell is probably the way to go. An Optiplex 7440 would be a good choice, or an XPS 27 touch.


    I agree with this as well. Get a basic machine from Directron.com or someplace like that, buy the basic machine but leave open options to expand, change, etc. I bought a box with extra slots for video card/audio card upgrade potential as time moved on. Never know when you might need four 30" screens and 3 or 4 sound-cards down the road as they become cheaper, but Sonar grows bigger.


     
    Whilst I  agree that a tower PC is clearly the best choice with regard to upgradabilty and flexibility, the repairability is only partially true. I have an all in one that I bought to use as a server for our media room. They have  more  user repairabilty than a laptop. You obviosly can't change the motherboard easily,  but as with a laptop, the 'consumables' like hdd's, power supplies and ram are user changeable. Even the wreless elements are just usb components that are installed internally.
     
    The main disadvantage of an all in one for use as a daw is that unlike a laptop, there is no way to natively run a second monitor. If that doesn't bother you, and as the OP stated you like the look and convenience, there are plenty of options that will run Sonar for many years. With modern PC's you don't necessarily always have to sacrifice style for utility:)


    Personally, I find the tower PC to be the easiest to service/upgrade, and definitely the most flexible.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 10:28:50 (permalink)
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    Personally, I find the tower PC to be the easiest to service/upgrade, and definitely the most flexible.



    For sure Brian -  as I said I agree that it is the most flexible and easiest to service, but the alternatives are not as impossibly inaccessible as they were in the past. 

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 11:37:49 (permalink)
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    For sure Brian -  as I said I agree that it is the most flexible and easiest to service, but the alternatives are not as impossibly inaccessible as they were in the past. 



    Have you serviced/upgraded a recent build iMac?
    It can certainly be done... but it's not for the faint-of-heart.
    You have to pull off the display (cutting the adhesive around the entire perimeter).
    This and especially re-attaching (with appropriate adhesive strips) are the toughest tasks.
    If you want to swap out the CPU, you literally have to take apart the entire unit.
     
    Other all-in-one solutions are likely not this tedious...
    But it's a major pain compared to a rack, tower, or even custom laptop.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 11:53:22 (permalink)
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    For sure Brian -  as I said I agree that it is the most flexible and easiest to service, but the alternatives are not as impossibly inaccessible as they were in the past. 



    Have you serviced/upgraded a recent build iMac?
    It can certainly be done... but it's not for the faint-of-heart.
    You have to pull off the display (cutting the adhesive around the entire perimeter).
    This and especially re-attaching (with appropriate adhesive strips) are the toughest tasks.
    If you want to swap out the CPU, you literally have to take apart the entire unit.
     
    Other all-in-one solutions are likely not this tedious...
    But it's a major pain compared to a rack, tower, or even custom laptop.


     
    I was referring to the HP All in one that I referenced in the earlier post Jim, and am really only talking about end user service issues like replacing a hdd or upgrading ram.  I haven't serviced any Macs for a couple of years now,  but they were always a nightmare to work on. 

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 12:38:05 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/05/03 13:22:40
    Upgrading a CPU is a nice thought but at the rate Intel drops new socket standards to the market it's hardly ever worth the money and effort. RAM and disks is about it and with Thunderbolt and USB3, arguably even disks aren't that important anymore to have internally. And PCI-e based stuff of course but even that is mostly high end graphics cards for gamers and 3d rendering. 
     
    Don't get me wrong, I have a tower case and I've reused it, and my screens. Definitely better value than an entirely new system. But "upgrading" these days basically means swapping out mobo/CPU/RAM etc for a newer set. 
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 13:10:07 (permalink)
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    Don't get me wrong, I have a tower case and I've reused it, and my screens. Definitely better value than an entirely new system. But "upgrading" these days basically means swapping out mobo/CPU/RAM etc for a newer set. 




    I tend to think along these same lines as well, pretty much everything but the above can be carried forward and (re-)used, then as peripherals eat it, upgrade those with forward compatibility. My PCIe 2.0 GPU conked out last year, so I upgraded to a 3.0 that works in a 2.0 slot... one day when my MB gives up its ghost, the GPU can be scavenged for the new machine.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 13:21:17 (permalink)
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    Upgrading a CPU is a nice thought but at the rate Intel drops new socket standards to the market it's hardly ever worth the money and effort. RAM and disks is about it and with Thunderbolt and USB3, arguably even disks aren't that important anymore to have internally. And PCI-e based stuff of course but even that is mostly high end graphics cards for gamers and 3d rendering. 
     
    Don't get me wrong, I have a tower case and I've reused it, and my screens. Definitely better value than an entirely new system. But "upgrading" these days basically means swapping out mobo/CPU/RAM etc for a newer set. 


    Totally agree Sanderexpander. 

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 13:40:15 (permalink)
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    Have you serviced/upgraded a recent build iMac?
    It can certainly be done... but it's not for the faint-of-heart.


    Ya for the most part I tell people to treat Macs as disposable. So long as you have Apple Care, which you can have for a maximum of 3 years, Apple will fix it via whatever means necessary including replacing the computer. However after that, if it breaks you need to be ready to throw it out. It CAN be serviced, but it is often not worth it, and some thigns are just impossible to fix due to lack of parts and access.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 14:10:55 (permalink)
    One other point I should re-state in a new way is that tower-type machines can be built with maximum power and utility. As your needs grow, assuming your Mother-board/CPU combo was good to begin with, pretty much all other aspects of the system can be freshened up a bit with little expense and trouble. The point, however, is that most all-in-one machines, laptops, mini-desktops, etc. are typically a degradation of maximum potential, so that they can use less power, lessen heat-generation, and noise.
     
    I agree field-serviceable components are worthwhile upgrades, but upgrades to speed the embedded services up might be too much to take. In other words, once the OS or drivers are no longer supported in the box, you are forced to upgrade, and can't typically piecemeal those components. Towers allow you to upgrade the power supply, mother-board/CPU combo, add/remove slots, expend USB, PCI-e, SATA, etc. options as you see fit. And parts are cheaper, too.
     
    EDIT: Overall point of this thread is how Sonar would perform on a Mac through Parallels. Apple no longer REALLY provides a tower, and the options they do provide are best suited to new hardware, or very powerful older hardware. Regardless, when attempting to run a program designed to run natively close to hardware, it is imperative to afford the maximum amount of resources to that program. To emulate the OS and run Sonar on an emulated machines, is likely to take a back-seat to the MAC OS X. To run it on a smaller form-factor machine where performance is degraded intentionally to cut down on heat/energy consumption is likely to be even worse. The best scenario for a case like Sonar is to run it on the most reasonable hardware available, regardless of size. It must perform and be cost-effective.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 14:32:46 (permalink)
    You can run Sonar on Mac hardware just fine, but definitely do it through Bootcsmp and avoid Parallels for this purpose.

    Bang for buck you'll get more power and flexibility/upgrade ability if you with a PC Tower.

    If your options are for a stock laptop then choose what you're comfortable with. I've had horrible experience with PC vendors here, but great experience with MacBooks. I'm talking about standard off-the-shelf laptops here. Perhaps the same might be said for stock PC desktops/ towers.

    FWIW I have a self-built PC tower as my main studio computer. But I use a MacBook for my roaming recordings.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 14:40:28 (permalink)
    I've done both. Bootcamp gives way better performance, but you may run into driver issues with the hardware. It's still a performance hit even under Bootcamp. Parallels is okay for some things but a DAW or video work is going to suffer dramatically. I couldn't get reliable performance out of it so I abandoned the idea.
     
    PCs are cheap, even laptops. I'd go with a PC for your use as it's less headache. I do wish I had SONAR on my Macbook Pro so I could have a mobile rig to work on SONAR projects with but I can do sketches in something like Reaper and then just port over the audio when it's "time". :-) Besides, staying fluent in more than one DAW pays dividends in troubleshooting technique. :-)
     

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 15:44:18 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the input. I'm not interested in another tower, nor learning a new DAW! I don't mind buying a new computer every few years, I've never upgraded an existing machine with a new processor or ram and I won't in the future. It really is about neatness and if it means paying more for less power that is ok. If I knew a UK audio PC specialist who would build an all in one that would be great. If not, I have learned that iMac plus boot camp is the way to go.
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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 15:46:07 (permalink)
    Boot Camp would be probably your best option here. Yes.

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 16:25:39 (permalink)
    ...just a note?

    I was running SPlat on a 2.6G i5 quad much of the last year... It works but with very little horsepower. I ran into its limits with only a couple of tracks and or trying to do a single input-monitored (amp sim) installed.

    So consider how little power in an i5 (even the quad)...

    I'd push for something with at least a 3G i7.....
    And at least 8G RAM

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 18:37:24 (permalink)
    If I was you and really was set on getting an iMac, I would spend the money to spec it out pretty good like Keni mentioned above. I would get an I7 processor, 16 GB ram and 1TB SSD. If you video edit you might as well get the better graphics cards also. This is going to cost you. They are good machines and OS X is great. But since upgrading them really isn't an option, you may find yourself unsatisfied if it's underpowered for what you want to do. Spend the money now to get longer use out of it. They get expensive.
     
    I completely replaced my Windows desktop 2 1/2 years ago with rMBP late 2013 and it's been the best computer I've ever had and I don't miss the Windows desktop at all. But it cost me. The SDD are extremely fast and improve the performance tremendously. I used the crap out of the laptop and it has exceeded my expectations. I use it for both audio and video editing. 
     
    If I wanted a gaming machine though I would not go with MAC. Windows is much better.
     
    Also, I probably would not invest in a MAC if your not excited about OS X and the Apple eco system. If you plan on running Windows I would just save the money and get something else. If you really want a MAC you may be better off taking the time and learn logic. It's really not that difficult to learn. There's some video sources you can purchase access to for a couple months and just watch the videos. Like https://www.macprovideo.com.
    post edited by WDI - 2016/05/03 18:59:23

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/03 20:59:51 (permalink)
    Marshall
    Thanks for all the input. I'm not interested in another tower, nor learning a new DAW! I don't mind buying a new computer every few years, I've never upgraded an existing machine with a new processor or ram and I won't in the future. It really is about neatness and if it means paying more for less power that is ok. If I knew a UK audio PC specialist who would build an all in one that would be great. If not, I have learned that iMac plus boot camp is the way to go.

    Great Bill.  I am sure you will be very happy with it -  windows ticks along very nicely under Bootcamp:) I ran Sonar on both an imac and macbook pro for many years. 
     
    FWIW,  here is a link to the UK HP all in one models.  Not sure how the Apple pricing works out over there,  but in Australia I was able to buy a HP i7 with a touch screen for much less than the i5 iMac. That said I no longer had any interest in running OSX, which you may. 
     
    http://store.hp.com/UKSto...=DTP&fc_form_aio=1
     

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/04 09:11:06 (permalink)
    tenfoot
    I was referring to the HP All in one that I referenced in the earlier post Jim, and am really only talking about end user service issues like replacing a hdd or upgrading ram.  I haven't serviced any Macs for a couple of years now,  but they were always a nightmare to work on. 



    FWIW, We recently bought a new Mac...
    (Have many Mac clients running networked custom VE Pro "slave" PCs)
    I wanted the fastest possible machine...
    Ironically, that's currently the late 2015 iMac with Skylake 6700k.  Faster than the highest end Mac Pro.
    Couldn't get the exact configuration I wanted from Apple, so I upgraded the machine.
    Pulling the whole screen assembly off (and re-attaching) is something you've got one-shot to get right.
    It'll get the blood-pressure pumping... even folks who are extremely tech-savvy.   
     
    Even to swap out the 2TB Fusion HD for a real SSD, you have to remove the entire display assembly.
    The only "upgrade" that's user-friendly is swapping RAM.
    If you want to swap out the CPU, the whole machine has to come apart.

    Best Regards,

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/04 09:19:11 (permalink)
    WDI
    If I was you and really was set on getting an iMac, I would spend the money to spec it out pretty good like Keni mentioned above. I would get an I7 processor, 16 GB ram and 1TB SSD. If you video edit you might as well get the better graphics cards also. This is going to cost you. They are good machines and OS X is great. But since upgrading them really isn't an option, you may find yourself unsatisfied if it's underpowered for what you want to do. Spend the money now to get longer use out of it. They get expensive.



    At this moment, the fastest Mac you can buy is the late 2015 iMac with a Skylake i7 6700k (4.5GHz).
    The top end Mac Pro has an older generation Xeon CPU (3.9GHz).
     
    You can upgrade the CPU and boot drive.
    • It's a major pain
    • It'll void your warranty
     

    Best Regards,

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    Re: Sonar on iMac using Parallels 2016/05/04 14:20:49 (permalink)
    Jim Roseberry
     
    Pulling the whole screen assembly off (and re-attaching) is something you've got one-shot to get right.
    It'll get the blood-pressure pumping... even folks who are extremely tech-savvy.   
     



    Breaking out in a sweat just thinking about it!  Glad it went well for you.  I really don't miss having to deal with Apple products. They certainly seem to go out of their way to protect their service dollar. 

    Bruce.
     
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