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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 15:23:23 (permalink)

asimmd
Ask the question here,and you will get an answer.

Ask the question on Cubase forum and most likely you will be banned.

That's the difference between Sonar and other DAW's.

Nuff said

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You are right on the money, Asimmd, I posted my question in Cubase forum, no one answered me back, not even the moderator. That is one of the reasons why I had to drop Cubase for Sonar, for you'll always found help, especially in this forum.



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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 15:41:46 (permalink)
In all seriousness:
Sonar is fully capable.
Logic Pro is fully capable.
Cubase is fully capable.
Digital Performer is fully capable.

There are obviously differences, but they all technically "work" to a degree enough for most.

If he's on Cubase 5, that's likely what he knows.
Unless he's unhappy with it or has some major issue, he'll likely want to just stay where he is.

Porting projects, something I've become far too familiar with recently, can take a lot of effort.
Learning a new DAW can take a lot of effort.

Once invested economically and productively, it's my firm opinion that it's best to stay where you are.

Maybe get him something from Cake that compliments what he already has. An instrument or something.

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 17:43:42 (permalink)
Most of these programs are similar but the sonic differences are worth mentioning. It is hard to do AB tests but I think Sonar has a very good sound. I used to have a lot of hardware and was used to the different sound textures that you get in that situation. I find that Sonar continues that tradition with its excellent range of instruments on offer.

Cakewalk have a third party mentality as well which means the instruments and plugins tend to sound different rather than the same. I teach Music Technology and Sound Engineering courses (as well as composing and production) and in that situation I have got used to the sound of Pro Tools (which is very Digidesgn hardware dependant) and Logic. In Logic there is more similarity than differences in plugin and instrument sounds. This could change in Logic 9 which is due to come out. But Sonar has a more diverse sound to it and it is a lovely sound.

Also Sonar offers the ability to connect to the V 700 console and VS 700R hardware which is also great and there are really very few as tightly integrated controllers out there that can address a software application. Support is excellent both here in Australia and the US. Also the forums are great and the people on them seem very helpful and good to talk to. That is important. Send out a question and get an answer!

The GUI is excellent and very adjustable. It is great to use and very well laid out and seems to have a great look and feel which is also important. They have integrated loops into projects easily as well. It seems very stable and crash free. It is a matter of setting up computers correctly and getting things set right but that applies to all software anyway.

So overall Sonar is a great choice. I have not spent much time with Cubase lately but I am sure it is a good program. But look beyond that, and take into account things like support and friendly forum help and you will find the choice becomes easier and easier.

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 17:50:03 (permalink)

just because someone uses something, doesn't mean its better. I use fender guitars mostly, does that mean there better, No, its just means i like them more than the others..
Cj


Go wash your mouth out Cj

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 17:56:54 (permalink)
Plus Sonar utilises a 64-bit engine that you can use on a 32-bit machine. Probably why it has such a great sound.
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 19:32:21 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: bitflipper

I don't know. Is it KOObase or Keeooobase? Or is it Keeeooo-baaahh-say? Or Ku-ba-say?

Being a German company, I would expect the proper pronunciation to be "Koo-bah'-say". Why it's not spelled with a "K", though, is beyond me. Maybe Native Instruments had already copyrighted that spelling.


I think Cubase is the anglicization of Cubasis, the original German name, and therefore we pronounce it the right way. Now, it's obvious that basis=base, as for the Cu, I really have no idea...
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 19:33:28 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: mickbrit55


just because someone uses something, doesn't mean its better. I use fender guitars mostly, does that mean there better, No, its just means i like them more than the others..
Cj


Go wash your mouth out Cj

:)


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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/04 23:04:19 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: PaPi


ORIGINAL: mickbrit55


just because someone uses something, doesn't mean its better. I use fender guitars mostly, does that mean there better, No, its just means i like them more than the others..
Cj


Go wash your mouth out Cj

:)


Angry Les Paul aficionado?


No .. it was a jab at Cj saying that Fender aren't the best :) I do have a Les Paul ... and a Strat. I can do things on the Strat that I can't on the Gibson. But that's a whole 'nother topic!
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 02:19:47 (permalink)
I'll have the Cubase on marble rye with the new potatoes and a side of pickled herring.

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 05:55:02 (permalink)
I would like to know between Sonar and Cubase, which one is better?


C5 has much better notation!!!!
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 06:13:56 (permalink)
Sonar 8 64x for me. It's like Coconut Cream Pie

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 08:17:31 (permalink)
.. it was a jab at Cj saying that Fender aren't the best

I did not say that. Thats the only kind of electric guitars I have, well except for a Gibson SG, but my 4 others are all Fender Strats.
Ill quote what i said below..
just because someone uses something, doesn't mean its better. I use fender guitars mostly, does that mean there better, No, its just means i like them more than the others..
Cj
post edited by CJaysMusic - 2009/06/05 08:18:30


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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 10:04:11 (permalink)
I suspect this is the only forum that this question constantly raises its head and get's so much response most other forums just yawn and get on with it.
post edited by Gerry - 2009/06/05 10:05:58

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 13:12:23 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Gerry

I suspect this is the only forum that this question constantly raises its head and get's so much response most other forums just yawn and get on with it.


Is right. I asked on the Embroidery Forum and they didn't answer

However someone did PM me later and said 'it's Logic, you boring moron.'

Serves me right for needling them
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 15:07:53 (permalink)
I have also used both and at one point had to make a decision as to which one I would hang my hat on since I had no intention of continually upgrading both. In the end I preferred Sonar and am glad I stuck with it. It really seems like the work flow is much better in Sonar. Also, it kind of worried me that since the main Cubase support folks are located in Germany, that it would always be a pain working around the time difference if I really needed help now. Also, I think the Sonar forum is one of the best out there so even if you can't get help from Cake, you can always come here and usually get a very quick answer or at least an opinion.

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/06/05 15:27:38 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Gerry

I suspect this is the only forum that this question constantly raises its head and get's so much response most other forums just yawn and get on with it.



no no no -- the pro-tools vs sonar or PC... is the one that raises it head and gets lots of attention -- that one is the mother of all yawns for me

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 17:33:45 (permalink)
PaPi


VST expression is not even on the radar (or should I say sonar? :)


Is that speculation? Or has someone from CW said that? I've really been hoping for that!
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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 18:11:10 (permalink)
Ok, quit screwing around. Sonar is THE best. Go tell everyone one you know and get on with making music. Sheesh!

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 18:16:53 (permalink)
Noel effectively said that VST3 isn't really on the radar, which is a precursor to VST expression, is it not?

Search around for the exact wording, but I remember the thread from a few months ago (regarding VST Expression).

Personally, I don't miss anything I don't already have, so I'm not a huge proponent of VST expression (or many other things "vst"). Isn't VST expression primarily related to sound articulation?
Is there something missing that hasn't already been solved by various plugin manufacturers or careful midi editing?

It's a serious question, btw.
I just don't feel like I'm missing anything now (in Sonar, Live or Logic Pro).
What specifically does it give me?

- zevo
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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 18:39:27 (permalink)
SONAR--- used Cubase for years. I got currious because of the 64 Bit mixing engine - In SONAR my mixes sound much better then in cubase or in logic ..... I had to convince some ears here in switzerland. We could hear big differences in the overall sound of mixes made in SONAR 7 and 8 over cubase AND logic apple. ----I am a proud SONAR user now. And I dont think that KSCC88s or Dynaudio Air 15s lie to often or do they now???--LOL

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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 18:52:30 (permalink)
You should try both the demos first.

What, did I hear someone say that cubase doesn't offer a demo?   I wonder why they wouldn't want you to be able to demo their software before purchasing?

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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 19:28:21 (permalink)
What should i have for desert? Mum cake or Coffee Cake??
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Re: RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 19:35:48 (permalink)
These SONAR or Cubase threads keep rearing their heads!

Does anyone wanna jump ship?

Crewman:
MAN OVERBOARD!!! Quick.. throw him a buoy!!! Throw him a buoy!!!

Captain:
Are you kidding?? The guy is totally gay and you want to throw him a boy?? DUH!!

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Like others have already said! All those other top end DAW's  (example:  ProTools/HD, Cubase, Logic, DP) are all capable of getting good end results. A lot of people use more than one DAW, SONAR and something else and something else again! Don't fear, it's all good :-)
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Re: RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 19:42:33 (permalink)
The dongle on Cubase is a dealbreaker for me. Won't even look at it.

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RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 21:07:24 (permalink)
inmazevo


Noel effectively said that VST3 isn't really on the radar, which is a precursor to VST expression, is it not?

Search around for the exact wording, but I remember the thread from a few months ago (regarding VST Expression).



I do remember reading Noels explanation for not implimenting VST3. But I don't believe it is a requirement for VST Expression (or something similar). I understand VST Expression to be a fancy front end GUI and great implimentation of a MIDI filtering/transform system. You easily enter your expressions and VST Expression outputs that to the VST as either Keyswitch Commands, Patch Change Commands, or MIDI Channel Change Commands... it's versatile so you can set it up which ever way your VST(s) operates.

In line with the original posters question:
Whenever I use Cubase, I get a sense that it is a MAC program that is running on a PC. With Sonar I truly feel that it is a Windows program. No major differences, but the workflow in Sonar was closer to what I'm used to as a Windows user.
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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 21:35:55 (permalink)
The Beatles recorded "Sgt Peppers" on a 4-track tape machine. I recommend that.

But seriously, the recording software is a tool for recording the same as a canvas is for a painter. It is the artist that has to utilize the tool to produce the work of art. Just about any tool will work with the right practice, skills and persistance. There's a guy in upstate NY here that carves bear statues from tree stumps with a chain saw. Does it matter if its a Black& Decker or a Ryobi chainsaw? I doubt it. I started out recording on tape many years ago and the music you can produce now using Sonar 8 is light years better. Could you produce the same with Cubase? Probably. However, I think Cakewalk has been around for a long time and they support their product very well. You can count on new updates just about every year. I barely have enough time to learn the current release when the new one comes out. Also, with Cakewalk Sonar, you get this great forum of experienced people willing to help. Its hard to beat.
post edited by daveny5 - 2009/07/29 21:38:01

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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 22:07:52 (permalink)
when I read the title of the thread, i thought the OP was "trolling".
 
Looks like we fell for it, 56 times and counting.

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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 22:58:29 (permalink)
Sonar is 20 to 40 % better.

Best
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Re:Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/29 23:03:40 (permalink)
what would oprah use?


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Re: RE: Sonar or Cubase? 2009/07/30 02:09:34 (permalink)
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The dongle on Cubase is a dealbreaker for me. Won't even look at it.


Amen brother!
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