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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:29:13
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edjay
Funny though, nobody attacked the fact I mentioned Samplitude? Now that's going in my little black book! 
Yeah people are particularly prickly about Reaper for some reason. I think it's because it's inexpensive and there's this notion that Justin runs it at a loss as some sort of nihilist prank because he's rich, which is balderdash. He seeded it with his own money but paid that back relatively quickly and it's been a profitable small company for some time. They simply have a different business model which doesn't require a marketing department or budget, paid advertisements and so on, so they can charge less for the product and still come out OK. Why is that so threatening? I'm not really sure. As previously mentioned, I don't actually use Reaper at all, though I'm keeping my eye on it; I just appreciate a number of things about how the company works. I also appreciate certain things about Cakewalk, and while their product is not perfect (nothing is) it's what I choose to work with day in and day out. But I think it's quite OK to compare features and workflow between platforms. I mean, do you think that Cakewalk are not aware of what other DAWs do well and not so well? I suspect they keep a fairly close watch on their competitors, and vice versa.
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:32:37
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Ozone is a mastering plugin.
.......and the price is like a waft of the best fresh air around!
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:34:51
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.......and the price is like a waft of the best fresh air around!
LOL. I just spent a minute trying to understand what you meant and then it hit me. hah.
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:45:53
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subtlearts
But I think it's quite OK to compare features and workflow between platforms.
Absolutely. Fanbois have got nothing better to do. Re: Reaper; If it's nothing else, it's the price. But then again, there's certainly a hell of a lot to X1 Essential for the price - as I've already mentioned the "splitter" for midi clips. When all my stuff's moved over, that will be invaluable when I start working on the songs again. Doing that would not be pleasant in Reaper; only having a split function for one particular place and not repeats - as far as I know. I've had a quick look at those links: I've got a limiter, which I use as little as possible, it's just the meters really. The Nugen looks a bit daunting but I might have a demo of the Toneboosters when I've settled down? I still use his original Omnisone spatial thingy.
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:48:09
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 18:55:37
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I did read the op and my comment was about nords comment about reaper's resizeable gui. just another reaper plug on cakewalks forum. so sorry if you thought that was directed at you..... Interesting to say- I use span on my master bus for its metering......... edjay
sykodelic
I don't get why people come to a sonar forum and talk about reaper, etc.
If you read the OP, that might give you an idea
I have an hitachi drill. I don't try to get everyone using a dewalt to switch.
I thought I made it clear that I'm switching form Reaper at this very moment?
I'm sure they have a forum to talk about there product.
I mentioned that in post #5 regarding arguments and fanbois
I'm not being funny, but it would be nice if you'd jumped in with something relevant to the OP. Is the OP really that much to unravel??
Incidentally, meters, subject matter.......anything interesting to say??
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 19:16:18
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I've had a quick look at those links: I've got a limiter, which I use as little as possible, it's just the meters really. The Nugen looks a bit daunting but I might have a demo of the Toneboosters when I've settled down? I still use his original Omnisone spatial thingy.
Here's another one, which I also have and use sometimes - it has some interesting extra features for kind of advanced, non-realtime sidechaining: http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_DPeakMeterPro/ Again, not free and not really cheap either considering, but an interesting and unique feature-set, which goes for all their stuff actually. They do have a free version too, which is more limited and also unfortunately garishly ugly (to me): http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Product_DPeakMeter/ Sorry, I'll stop now...
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 20:43:50
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subtlearts
Sorry, I'll stop now...
LOL! I was looking at the Cats earlier today - there's not too may options come up when you have a Bing for peak/rms meters. I'm still getting a regular mini plethora of noises as the songs get roughly organised during moving them over; I won't say to much about it as I don't want to get the locals out of bed. :) I had a thought, that when all my stuff's moved, I might just do an XP Pro install of the complete same system and see if that makes a difference. This is the first time I've run Win 7 for my music. This is also the first time I've used NI's kontact and kore too. I just made a new piece of piano now; just two simple pieces on 2 kontakts with a background of a diffused string from kore and I only have to touch a fader - and not even that. I just checked the release date of my CPU - Feb 2008, Win 7 Oct 2009. Hmmm, still plenty to think about.
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/23 21:17:37
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....just another reaper plug on cakewalks forum. What is it that rattles you about that? Are you a share holder in Roland? sorry if you thought that was directed at you..... Much appreciated - it got a bit fanboyish on the Reaper forum a few days ago too so I'm just a bit fed up of all that at the moment. But if there's something you really don't like, it's best to try and put constructive comments forward..........mostly. Someone might be listening :-/ Interesting to say- I use span on my master bus for its metering......... Now that is intersesting, I'll look that up, thanks. Just to add; It was the fanboi on the Reaper forum that thought he'b be sarcastic and tell me I should "just go and use Sonar" because I commented on midi issues in Reaper several weeks ago. So, I came here and had a few chats with "subtlearts" - and others - who mentioned Samplitude and loooooaads of pianos; so I downloaded Samp and had a go, and then I ended up investing in my own X1 Essential and one of the pianos he reccommended? That's how these things happen. :)
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/24 04:21:56
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Hmmm. I know I said I'd stop with the options, but... Yeah I completely forgot to mention Span, which is one of those things I assume everyone knows about - free from Voxengo: http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/ it's more than just a big flexible loudness meter of course, but it has one of those too. Here's another free k-system meter: http://code.mzuther.de/kmeter/ never tried it, can't vouch for it, but it looks like a simple implementation of what you're after. Sonalksis has one with a fader attached, not sure if that's been mentioned: http://www.sonalksis.com/freeg.htm Want VU's instead? (don't get Mike McCue started on this!  ) the fine folks at PSP are happy to oblige... http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/tools_and_meters/psp_vintagemeter/ fun fun fun. I'm not sure what to say about your performance trouble... your signature says 5600+, is that an AMD? I have no experience with AMD at all. I can tell you that I'm running XP Producer on an older system than yours though - an Intel Q6600 with 4g RAM - with no such issues, it's very clean and stable as long as I keep things reasonable. It's quite possible that RAM is the issue though - 2Gb is definitely on the small side for this kind of thing. That would be a very cost-effective way to improve your whole system. I would go higher than 4Gb myself but I'm still running XP32 here so there's no point. I'll likely run this system and XP until they die, and then upgrade everything. I know I'm a dinosaur but hey, it ain't broke! Hope that helps...
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/24 10:07:06
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subtlearts
Hmmm. I know I said I'd stop with the options, but...
I had a looka the PSP yesterday, the Sonalksis is still waiting for download info; another one of those installation procedures. I've clocked the Span, but that looks a bit ethereal for the moment, but the mzuther........that looks interesting! Downloaded.
I did my best to follow Katz's K-System theory, and what I go out of it was; spend some time mixing at a reasonably loud level, don't crush your music and use your volume control! All this and you won't go wrong. I should go and have at look his site and see if he's got anything to say about meters.
I have no problem with inputting audio as I know what notch on my DAV pre equates to max peaks of -6dB with faders all set to zero.
Hope that helps...
Certainly does: The Q6600 runs @ 2.4GHz and has an 8MB L2 cache and it's a dual, dual core. The AMD 5600+ runs @ 2.9GHz and has a 2 x 512kB L2 cache and is straight dual core. I think the size of the cache gives an indication of the number-crunching ability of the CPU. I've got the QX6700 sitting here; that's the Extreme version of your CPU = will easily clock to 3.0GHz with no extra cooling, same cache and cores as yours. In a head to head of the 5600+ and the stock QX6700 on Cubase SX 3.2, the AMD came out way on top because of the higher speed and the dual cores. SX doesn't recognise 4 cores, so it just ends up using one. From what I've read here, I won't have the same problem with X1 and I'm pretty sure it should outpace the AMD. I've got all the bits out of my demolition shop - which also happens to be my kitchen - I'm only short of RAM for the build.
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/24 10:23:58
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Yeah Sonar's multi-core optimization is decent, should use all 4 although one always seems to run higher, I guess that's the 'host' processing.
Kontakt also does a good job of distributing its load, so with a bit more memory you should be sitting pretty.
I'm pretty sure I have mine overclocked a bit too, I don't remember now, whatever it is I'm not going to change it at this point as things are quite stable. I have a way over-spec'd power supply too, which might help - I'm not an expert on such things, but I seem to have been lucky with most of my builds.
Let me know how the mzuther k-meter runs, I'm interested. Responsiveness is a big issue for me - I found most meters had a lag that I didn't like, which is one reason I use the Nugen Visualizer a lot - it's very snappy and I can't detect a delay at all. The Blue Cat one wasn't quite as responsive for me so I don't use it much anymore. I used to have the Sonalksis installed, might still be on here somewhere, I'll drop that on a bus next time I'm in Sonar and let you know how it compares...
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/24 10:42:14
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OK... so, yeah, the Sonalksis one is pretty cool actually, not a huge meter but much bigger than the ones in the X1 console. I don't remember what their registration process was but it's a nice meter, and very responsive. And I remembered another one: the Flux Stereo Tool, freeware, with a big stereo correlation scope and a nice big and very snappy meter just below, along with some tools for imaging, kinda like the Channel Tools that comes with X1 Producer, but again, free (I think you may need to register for it like the Sonalksis though): http://www.fluxhome.com/products/freewares/stereotool
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Re:So....nar, so good?
2011/05/24 13:19:29
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subtlearts
Let me know how the mzuther k-meter runs, I'm interested. Responsiveness is a big issue for me...
It's loaded and seems to work fine and it has a familiar look to it. It says in the manual that it takes 600ms for the meter to reach 99% of it's full reading. I don't have the experience to comment on the responsiveness yet. I'd forgotten about the K-System amongst all the other installation and testing madness. It's become a part of my general template. Thanks for that, spot on! You might be interested to have a look at that too Andy.
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