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Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
I am a long time user of Cakewalk but I have struggled over the last several years with all of the features that Cakewalk provides. It's overwhelming. He have all these tools in our tool box but how many of use really understand all those tools? I will tell you that I don't understand them all. If I don't understand all the tools, then I am limited with what I am able to create while using Sonar. I find that I stick to what I know and don't use lots of features that I would probably use if I understood them. Cakewalk has lots of videos on YouTube but you can't isolate only Sonar Platinum videos. So what is the solution? I was thinking that maybe within a thread, we can talk about each plugin or soft-synth etc. we could really get into the nits and bolts of each feature? Is there any interest in this?
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 00:23:26
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It's all available, in the manual, the videos, Cakewalk TV, Cakewalk Uni, Cakewalk blog. There are so many tutorials on various aspects of Sonar.
Some features may be explained by a video from Sonar X1 because that feature hasn't really changed since then. For other things you need a more modern video or article because the feature was added more recently.
In the stickies section of the Sonar forum there's a section on Craig Andertons weekly tips which is up to about number 64 now. Have a read through them.
You have to remember that in Sonar you have access to facilities that would have cost 100s of thousands of dollars just 10 or 15 years ago. In those days it was a full time job for a number of years getting to grips with what you could do in a pro studio. Do you put in that kind of time to learn? Do you practice recording, mixing etc. there are more resources out there than ever before.
There is a Techniques forum here that hosts discussions on various techniques to do with the craft. Give it a look see.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
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And yes, I pretty much do understand them all. If I need to use a technique that I'm not familiar with or haven't used for a while I'll make sure that I make myself competent to use it if it's going to cost someone else their money for my time and skills.
I'm 61 and been doing this since 14. Still learning. This forum and being active on it is a great way to learn. It just takes time and application to your craft.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
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☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/04 10:30:37
I, for one would be very interested. Like mudgel said, there's a lot out there already. Post in techniques and I for one will lurk or post. To offer some perspective, I am an educated musician,(primary guitar). I understand just about any practical theory, but I couldn't ever use it all. I love many musical styles, but I will never be the greatest jazz, rock blues,metal, country, classical, bluegrass, flamenco guitarist out there. You have to expose yourself to raise the scafolding somewhat evenly, and use that as your springboard to showcase your strengths. Learning the basics of tracking and mixing in Sonar will give you that same foundation. Then you can tackle some of the features that help you get there. Example: my guitar is too loud, but it still gets buried in the mix. Solution: EQ the guitar so it isn't competing with other instruments.Tool: Sonar has quad curve on every channel.OR drop levels of competing instuments when playing guitar so it's the predominant track using automation lanes. OR feed the guitar track to the side chain of a compressor so it automatically pushes the other instruments down when it is sounding. If you don't know how to do these things (yet)start your search there. Start with a problem that needs addressing. Use the materials out there like you would a dictionary, not to memorize it, but to find the right word.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 04:27:53
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Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?And just remember, you don't have to understand ALL the options, just the ones you need at the time, then as you go and you need something else, you learn it, rinse and repeat and one day you will know more than you now thought you would.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 06:13:33
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orangesporanges I, for one would be very interested. Like mudgel said, there's a lot out there already. Post in techniques and I for one will lurk or post. To offer some perspective, I am an educated musician,(primary guitar). I understand just about any practical theory, but I couldn't ever use it all. I love many musical styles, but I will never be the greatest jazz, rock blues,metal, country, classical, bluegrass, flamenco guitarist out there. You have to expose yourself to raise the scafolding somewhat evenly, and use that as your springboard to showcase your strengths. Learning the basics of tracking and mixing in Sonar will give you that same foundation. Then you can tackle some of the features that help you get there. Example: my guitar is too loud, but it still gets buried in the mix. Solution: EQ the guitar so it isn't competing with other instruments.Tool: Sonar has quad curve on every channel.OR drop levels of competing instuments when playing guitar so it's the predominant track using automation lanes. OR feed the guitar track to the side chain of a compressor so it automatically pushes the other instruments down when it is sounding. If you don't know how to do these things (yet)start your search there. Start with a problem that needs addressing. Use the materials out there like you would a dictionary, not to memorize it, but to find the right word.
The OP didn't state he's a beginner. He stated he has been a long time user that simply don't understand all features offered. I think one part of the issue, is when the promo comes out for a newer version, you're hit with a number of features that you obviously want to investigate. Trying to learn multiple new features at once, on top of what you really haven't learned previously, only makes it more frustrating. Sure, there's video tutorials and the PDF manual, but you still have to shift threw numerous material that may not be simple so and clear enough to understand. It can be like learning music theory on top of trying to learn an instrument, by the same means. Add to that, when you have no idea why something doesn't seem to work as described and it's due to a bug you have no idea exist. Sonar... Re-Imagined, frankly, became a clunkier GUI, which can make learning certain things a bit steeper. CW- got rid of other programs like: Project 5 and Kinetic, to focus solely on Sonar, even though there were numerous pleas to continue these programs that were geared toward users that made dance and urban music. Since then... Sonar has been marketed towards anybody they can get to make a purchase. Yeah, even the first time novice to DAW's. Ok... I took a wrong turn somewhere, but anyway, The new Sonar may simply be more than you have a need for. If you get a version that offers less, like the Music creator version, you won't have all those new features to temp you.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
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☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/04 10:32:25
Also ... Anderton's ToW ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3074655) and the Technique forum ( http://forum.cakewalk.com/Techniques-f90.aspx) are great places to look. Also check out the Cake blog ( http://blog.cakewalk.com/); bookmark it and revisit often. And don't forget the eZine ( http://www.cakewalk.com/P...Rolling-Updates#start) that highlights new features each release! I don't understand everything Sonar has to offer. I make it a point to learn something new every time I fire it up. Experiment. IMO, there are two types of understanding in this context: The first is the technical understanding of what a specific tool or feature does, how to select/insert/apply and such. The second is understanding how to apply the feature/tool in a creative way. This one is up to your imagination. The cool thing is that you don't have to use every feature/tool in the toolbox for every project. Piece by piece, bit by bit experimentation and exploration is my approach. I hope I never run out of unexplored territory
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 09:11:12
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Rather than try to understand them all, a simpler approach is to do things you want to do, then when you have an idea of something you want to do look it up. Often it is best to ask in here since the "keyword" you are looking for may not be known yet and this forum is full of helpful folks. If you think from the perspective of time alone, there is little use "knowing" something you would never use... the key is to just know it exists, then can find/use when/if you have the need.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 10:01:54
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easyjoey If I don't understand all the tools, then I am limited with what I am able to create while using Sonar.
You should not think of it this way because a) it's not really true but b) if this is how you view it that is what will limit your creativity. Yes, there are definitely a LOT of tools/areas/features/etc, many of which are extremely complex but in general it's all fairly compartmentalized. You can just learn the stuff that is useful to you and safely ignore the rest until you get curious or your needs grow. For example the first month I used Sonar I just figured out... How to setup my interface, how to operate the transport and MSR controls, VERY basic editing in Track View, how to import files like drum loops, how to insert FX and how to do a basic export. That was all I needed to put together a song (which I did a couple of as well as a small part on a collab within that first month or so). It wasn't all that easy at first and it was a little messy but it got done. Ever since then I've been widdling away at all the other stuff peeling back the many layers of Sonar like an onion. 3 and half years later I'd say I have at least a basic understanding of 90% of the program and all the tools (like the FX and synths) and maybe an intermediate to advanced understanding of about 60% of that (things like tracking, editing, routing, navigation of projects and the program, etc are second nature to me now simply from working with the program regularly). Fact is even though I've spent an insane amount of time watching vids, reading the manual, scouring the forum and just testing things out I probably only touch about 10% of the program throughout a project (the bulk of which is that stuff I learned in the first month). The only real benefit I get from having obsessively studying it so much and digging into the darker corners of the program/toolset is that now if I get some weird, crazy artsy f*ck idea I'm not as stumped as to how to go about. I can reach out and use usually not just one tool/feature but multiple possible options to see what works best (or not at all). So if I didn't know all that weird stuff I wouldn't be stuck unable to create. I just have extra cool options to enhance what I'd normally be doing or just make it a little easier. The other benefit is that I can now kind of understand what the heavy hitters are talking about around here (which gives me new ideas to try out) and I can offer assistance to new people (or more casual users) who are in the same boat I was a few short years ago... just like I was helped as a wailing infant newbile. tl;dr... Just work as you normally would and don't worry about any of the new stuff unless you want to try out some new tricks or you truly do get stuck on something. In which case just ask the forum what the best option is, do a quick read up/test of the feature and go back to creating. No need to bog yourself down if you don't want/need to. Cheers.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 10:17:11
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Thanks guys.... I think part of my point was missed. The key here is, you might have 1000 tools in your tool box but only are familiar with 50 of them. You use those 50 over and over and have them mastered. Because you don't understand or are totally oblivious to the other 950, you may not be aware of what your options are. You may not even make a connection that there is a solution to a potential problem or technique if you have no idea that a solution potentially exists... If you eat bologna every day, you have no idea what steak tastes like. The Sonar manuals are decent but they don't provide practical advice. That's why I love the Sonar Power books but I am looking for more. I own several Moog synths and was at the factory recently. The rep was showing what all of these features would do. I asked "why would I use that feature?" and the guy looked at me and said, no one has ever asked that. He then explained HOW and WHY the feature could be used and the conversation was much more helpful. So my thoughts are just a simple discussion of various options Sonar offers and with an explanation of HOW and WHY. I hope this makes more sense. Thanks Joe
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 10:28:57
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☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/04 10:43:17
The only way I can learn a complex program like SONAR is on an "installment plan." I use the tools I know, but often dive into the Help when performing a specific task and pick up more info about how something works. From time to time, I'll scan the Help index and click on something that looks interesting, or which I haven't used much. I'll read up on that and see if it relates to what I do. I'm always learning new things with SONAR but then again, I'm always learning new things about recording, sound, playing guitar, etc. Learning is something that is never complete. I will never know everything about SONAR any more than I will ever know everything about recording, but I already know enough to make the music I want to make. From here on out, it's just a question of becoming more and more efficient at the process. But seriously, treat the Help files as potential gold mines of information. Take one subject at a time, and you may be surprised how much you learn, and how fast you can learn it. Also FWIW, you've given me some ideas for articles that are less about describing how something works and more about what tools to use for specific projects. I think there would be some merit there...like what tools will help you create the best vocal parts - procedures, plug-ins, and mixing techniques.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 10:30:31
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☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/04 10:44:26
easyjoey Thanks guys.... I think part of my point was missed. The key here is, you might have 1000 tools in your tool box but only are familiar with 50 of them. You use those 50 over and over and have them mastered. Because you don't understand or are totally oblivious to the other 950, you may not be aware of what your options are. You may not even make a connection that there is a solution to a potential problem or technique if you have no idea that a solution potentially exists... If you eat bologna every day, you have no idea what steak tastes like. The Sonar manuals are decent but they don't provide practical advice. That's why I love the Sonar Power books but I am looking for more. I own several Moog synths and was at the factory recently. The rep was showing what all of these features would do. I asked "why would I use that feature?" and the guy looked at me and said, no one has ever asked that. He then explained HOW and WHY the feature could be used and the conversation was much more helpful. So my thoughts are just a simple discussion of various options Sonar offers and with an explanation of HOW and WHY. I hope this makes more sense. Thanks Joe
Honestly the best and most complete tutorial series I've seen are the Karl Rose SWA vids. I reference them all the time (in total they add up to something crazy like 20 hours). For Sonar itself there is the "SWA Sonar X2/X3 Complete" series. These are about the core program and shows almost everything in every area (almost). Pretty much all if it is still relevant in the latest versions of Sonar. For the Effects there is the "SWA X2 Producer FX" (I may have gotten the name wrong but something like that). This goes through EVERY effect that came with X2 Producer. Of course some have been removed and new things added but I'd say it's probably 90%+ current and applicable (the effects covered have not changed). For the synths and instruments there is the "SWA Sonar Virtual Instruments" (again probably mangling the name). This is again a little older but not mauch has been added, changed or removed (probably 95% still relevant). All those vids are no nonsense, straight forward and easy to understand without any fluff or "opinions". Just explanations of all the controls in every feature presented. I usually watch them on my laptop, pause the vids then try the stuff being shown out on my DAW (a separate computer). Very helpful. They go on sale from time to time in the store so if you really want to expand your Sonar horizons pick them up. For the newer features that come down the pipe every month just read the monthly eZine and check the CakeTV area for new vids about the related features. For more in depth detail just do a google search of the online manual. Cheers.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 11:59:14
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Craig's "installment plan" is a good mindset. Honestly to "master" everything is an impossible goal on changing terrain, but mastering the tools which fit your workflow is semi-doable. To me, mastering a tool I will never use is not going to help me... creativity comes from optimized tools and proficiency for the tasks you use most. There are many threads where folks have always done things a certain way, but it bothered them, so they asked how others did it, and the feedback on those types of threads is golden. I have even started threads where I wanted to do something and had no clue it even existed... just described what I wanted to achieve and got amazing feedback. Some of the funnier (but effective) ones are the one-line responses to point me in the right direction.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 13:46:00
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Kine 321, I never meant to imply he WAS a beginner. I read his post and empathize with it wholeheartedly, as I'm sure most of us do. I was merely offering some analogies to encourage. I'm sorry if this was not the way my post read.
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2015/11/04 15:37:22
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orangesporanges Kine 321, I never meant to imply he WAS a beginner. I read his post and empathize with it wholeheartedly, as I'm sure most of us do. I was merely offering some analogies to encourage. I'm sorry if this was not the way my post read.
LOL... no need to apologize when no harm was done. I don't take these forums to heart or have a thin skin about topics. Initially, it look like you were describing a beginners process,that's all. Have a nice one.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
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Well, I can certainly understand the reason for this topic and thread .Yep, been wrestling with this one for a while . I'm somewhat of a mental guy or a mental case depending on who you ask , so I use mental tools . It's a given that my approach may not work for anyone else here on the forum , yet I will offer it anyway….. Am I overwhelmed with all the features in SONAR that I don't know how to use ? YES Does it get me down and make me feel stupid sometimes , or even all the time ? YES Do I get any sort of comfort in knowing that I have the tools on hand even if I don't know how to use them yet ? YES , knowing that I have the tools on hand does give me a sense of accomplishment for having acquired them …. Am I gonna let all the pent up frustration I feel make me want to give up and quit Music ? Hell effing NO , I didn't come this far to let that happen .. What can I do ? …take baby steps Why baby steps ? because people don't harass and beat up babies when they are trying to learn how to walk … Are you serious ? Yes I am …. What do you actually mean by baby steps ? By taking baby steps it means I have to put myself in a state of mind where I willingly have to parent myself on one level, by putting myself in that state of mind I no longer have the need to beat myself up or hold it against myself that I'm gonna crash , burn and make a lot of mistakes as I learn my way around all the new features I don't have the slightest clue on how to use ….or learn . OK , that sounds " suspiciously " reasonable , give me some examples of what you consider baby steps …. Sure , to go there means we have to define a few characteristics and differences of the mind set between a baby and an adult … A baby (and a young child ) possess a very clear mindset that is unencumbered by any number of learned bias's when they are young …they only know the moment , everything is pretty much new and exciting to them … They have the capacity to soak up everything with each unfolding moment and their imaginations are not jaded by the world .Also they do not feel the boundaries of separation and everything is fresh and new to them … except when they soil a diaper … An Adult on the other hand may indeed have many resources and experiences that a baby may not have . When it comes to learning new things an adult has to navigate around a couple of obstacles that may have imprisoned the adult …. What the heck do you mean by that ? As people mature and become adults , they develop some very strong opinions about things they may or may not like ( preferences / bias's ) , in many cases they rely more and more on filters they may have put in place when it comes to their ability to cope and learn new things in life … When confronted with learning something new Adults can be like a time traveler who is jumping across time comparing the new information they are trying to learn up against the accumulated knowledge they have stored over the years … This can create a conflict of interest because what ends up happing is an adult may find it hard to shut off his or her coping and discernment filters when confronted with learning something new …. What ends up happening in that scenario is the new knowledge can be there right under their nose , yet they do not have the capacity to learn it because they are no longer present in the moment ( like a baby would be )…… The adult ends up struggling because they are caught up in a multitude of distractions … OK, What are some of these distractions you speak of ? In my case I have had to do a little soul searching and I have found a number of sticking points that have hindered me in my process of learning the new features I'm looking to learn …. A big stumbling block for me comes from the standpoint of my Ego . I can honestly admit that I don't know a whole lot about computers and recording using a DAW , but man , the old Ego want's to throw down a fight when I'm trying to learn something from somebody that my Ego has determined to be a threat to it … Silly I know ,but thats a big one for me , it brings up the whole I thought I knew something and now I find out I didn't know squat about it at all ……for that one I have to practice principles over personalities / humble pie … Another one is , I may have unreasonable expectations when it comes to learning something new regarding how long it may take to learn how to do it ….That one still keeps tripping me up . I just have to give time , time … Yeah , theres more …I'm gonna stop for now … Oddly enough , I learned how to do this sort of thing on guitar … The bottom line for me is , I have to clear my head to forget what I think it is that I know and just try to emulate the ability to be like a baby to be able to soak up everything I can when I can find myself in that mind set … Kenny PS , Yeah , I know this one is coming from the Far Side  What's the point of trying to watch a video or read a tutorial if my body is there , yet my mind isn't ? …
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 18:51:39
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Most DAWs are very complex these days.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 22:25:44
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Anderton Also FWIW, you've given me some ideas for articles that are less about describing how something works and more about what tools to use for specific projects. I think there would be some merit there...like what tools will help you create the best vocal parts - procedures, plug-ins, and mixing techniques.
I, for one, would like that a lot, please do. I think that your tip about using noise to understand the QuadCurve EQ is a very good example of that approach and was very helpful.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/04 23:30:45
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There are lots a videos on learning the tools in Sonar you would like to learn more about. I spent a lot of time watching YouTube videos from the wonderful Sonar users who have taken the time to preset the Sonar features in depth via YouTube Also there are sites like Groove3.com, Cake TV, again YouTube and even Lynda.com which has Sonar training (I get access to Lynda.com free though my educational employer). One can learn all about Sonar if they are willing to view some good instructional video tutorials.
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eric_peterson
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/05 01:02:12
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I use about 5% of SONAR's functionality and I am as happy as a clam; whatever that means ... :-) It bugs me that I don't know any of the advanced features, but then I have four kids, a busy day job and a mortgage to pay. I am just happy when the core functionality works for the few hours a week I get to play in the studio.
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Re: Sonar - so many options, do you understand them all?
2015/11/05 01:46:55
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One of the great things I enjoy about Sonar is when I need to do something that I haven't done before, I know there's a fair chance that Sonar will be able to do it, I just have to find out how. I'm a firm believer that Cakewalk has one of the best manuals going, and the forum here is also of great value. The only real advice I have for the OP is to persevere with attempting to find what you need within Sonar itself, or come here, pose a question, and see if someone can help you. I think I would find it more difficult trying to pick up a new DAW and starting from scratch, although I'm sure there are features on other DAW's that would be handy at times. I do like the idea of starting threads about plugins, or instruments, to get other's ideas on their uses. I'm sure if you did a search you would find a lot of the information you are looking for already posted. I too am a long time user of Cakewalk products, from Pro Audio 9, and enjoy the challenge of finding and using new features, so for me it's a part of the fun of whole music adventure.
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