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2016/05/20 08:06:07 (permalink)

Sonar taking minutes to startup

Some months past, the new updates to Sonar were presented as allowing the program to start up faster. However, in my updates, startup appears to have regressed backwards.
For some reason, Sonar now can take up to two minutes to open from the clicking on it's icon. Now this is obviously something to do with my system, but what?
Can anybody offer a suggestion as to the cause of this behavior?

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/20 08:37:28 (permalink)
Do you have internet connection on this PC?
I have the same problem. If my Internet fails it takes up to 2 minutes to start SONAR without any project. In some cases Sonar is apparently looking for the internet connection to verify the license.
 

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/20 09:00:38 (permalink)
My DAW is never connected to the internet at bootup and takes about 5 seconds, so it's not that.

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/20 09:11:52 (permalink)
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Do you have internet connection on this PC?
I have the same problem. If my Internet fails it takes up to 2 minutes to start SONAR without any project. In some cases Sonar is apparently looking for the internet connection to verify the license.
 


Yes, I am permanently  connected to the internet, but it's  a wireless connection.
Something to try I guess.
 

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/21 08:00:51 (permalink)
have you opened up task manager to see if something is drawing resources ?
it might even be your audio interface trying to connect.
try another usb/FW port if possible.
 
it could also be RAM going bad, how old is the pc ?
 
 
Quick note:
if sonar project is heavey with a lot of soft synths, plug ins, it takes longer to load.
it could also be a plug in failing to open properly. what happens on new projects ?

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/21 10:49:24 (permalink)
Are you running an SSD? 
If so there could be some slow blocks.  They can start to fail in a strange way which is to take eons to do a read.
One of our devs had it happen on his development machine where link times suddenly went from taking 30 seconds to 30 minutes!
How to spot this?
 
Grab a demo of HD Tune Pro or other disk utils like it, click the Error Checking tab, and run the handy Speed Map.
http://www.hdtune.com/
Anything in red is slow and potentially indicating a need to consider a new SSD.
In the interim, make sure the SSD has sufficient free space so it can better wear balance that may get you some extra usage.
 
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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/05/23 02:49:59 (permalink)
Tried a few options to see what would happen.
 
I've been having another problem as well, in that windows would sometimes hang at boot up. Went into task manager and removed a couple of things that were loading at the same time, and the situation has appeared to improve somewhat.
 
I have also changed my boot procedure. Previously I would boot Windows, and while it was loading, I would switch on the Roland Octa-Capture and wait. Now I wait till Windows is fully up before switching on the interface. Seems to have helped.
 
Not 5 seconds, but tolerable, so far. I will run like this for a while and see what happens.
 
Cheers all.
post edited by optimus - 2016/05/23 03:20:19

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/10/09 01:28:08 (permalink)
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
 
Grab a demo of HD Tune Pro or other disk utils like it, click the Error Checking tab, and run the handy Speed Map.
http://www.hdtune.com/
Anything in red is slow and potentially indicating a need to consider a new SSD.
In the interim, make sure the SSD has sufficient free space so it can better wear balance that may get you some extra usage.
 



Need to chime in on this thread, since suddenly Splat (Manchester) went from 5 seconds to load to about 40 seconds. SSD is older than dirt (5+ years) and only 15GB free of the 223GB available. I may be pinching its ability to page file, but wanted to run this utility first.
 
Update - All blocks are okay, but info page showed 7 had been retired with data moved from them, so the SSD has been pruning itself over time.
 
Actual culprit was "ReWireBridge32" I had installed from a post months ago. Found it by watching processes initiate during the Splat launch. Good grief... I have never even used rewire, so not sure what possessed me to install that. Initial launch of Splat now 4 seconds, repeat launch is about 1.5, all is good (yay).
post edited by mettelus - 2016/10/09 02:55:00

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/10/09 09:27:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2016/10/09 14:18:45
If rewire is installed, at startup SONAR will load rewire components for all rewire registered apps.
eg, reason, reaper etc. Depending on what those components do (authorization, initialization, etc) it will slow down the load.
Also any attached control surfaces will slow down the load since they handshake with SONAR.
Additionally if you have rescan failed or rescan existing VST's set in preferences it can slow down the start process even though scanning is in the background, since the scanner sends update messages to SONAR.
Some audio interfaces can also take time to initialize.
 
The best thing to do when troubleshooting load issues is to eliminate these first and see if they are contributing to the issue. On my Surface pro, and also on my DAW startup is less than 4 seconds to the time I see the start page.

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/10/09 13:56:25 (permalink)
Thanks Noel, that is good information for folks to know.
 
The very odd thing is I loaded that program a while ago (May, I think) and never saw an issue afterwards to the extent recently, but suddenly (not sure if I did something to trigger this) the load time jumped through the roof. The really interesting thing is that not only did that rewire jump up as a process, but it did it twice (thankfully it was named identical to the file I needed to get rid of). Pause... process appeared... pause... process appeared again... pause... SONAR loaded. It may have been triggered from loading iZotope stuff this weekend (although I VST scan manually), so I was installing, demoing, installing more, etc., but closing and reopening SONAR each time out of habit. I guess it is possible the installations played into this, but the effect of that ReWire lingered even after all had been completed.

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/10/09 19:11:32 (permalink)
Mine takes about 90 seconds to start 1st time  and  if i close and open again it takes about 30 seconds.
Rescan failed or rescan existing VST's  is off.
Black Rectangle  with Sonar Name takes the longest to disappear.
post edited by fitzj - 2016/10/09 19:35:34
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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 09:10:43 (permalink)
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Mine takes about 90 seconds to start 1st time  and  if i close and open again it takes about 30 seconds.

 
+1
I have the same problem : (

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 09:49:39 (permalink)
I'm always connected to the interwebz.  SONAR starts up in 5 - 8 secs to the Start Screen.  Yes, this is with an SSD.
 
Back in the Rap Pro days, when huge sample libs were first being dealt with, some of us ended up adding SONAR and related PATHs to the AV exclude lists.
 
If you watch processes in Task Manager during startup, do you see your anti-virus process jumping up in CPU use?

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 14:30:45 (permalink)
Hi BobF!
 
I read your comments and paid attention to Windows Task Manager. I saw Windows Defender anti-malware was contributing to make Disk work on its full capacity. 
 
I also tried to change the anti-virus configurations, turning it off, as well as adding Sonar folders to the exclude list. But unfortunately it didn't work.
 
Also the issue only happens when I run Sonar for the first time, so I'll try more later.
 
Thanks!

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 14:38:28 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mgustavo 2016/11/14 14:59:19
After the first SONAR startup after boot, subsequent startups should be faster because of caching by Windows.
 
In addition to the SONAR program directory being excluded, I also excluded the plug-in directories and my entire Content directory.  If you have the VST scanner set to scan on startup, then Defender will still be involved during the VST scan if those locations aren't also excluded.

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 14:40:09 (permalink)
You should also check disk fragmentation and Event Logs to make sure you don't have a disk with errors being reported.
 
 

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 15:12:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mgustavo 2016/11/14 15:52:49
Bob is spot on.
Def exclude Sonar, and even the plug in manager (good idea about the plug in directory's too) from your AV.
The age we are living in now, if you are seriously doing any kind of digital audio (even as a hobby) grab yourself an SSD. you can get one now for about 70.00 USA dollars ( a Crucial 256 GB SSD).
 
It not only changes the speed sonar boots, but also changes the time it takes for your PC to start up, which in my opinion is crazy fast. I can go from power button/booting the pc - to my desktop in under 15 seconds.
That's totally shut off to up and running (Windows 8.1).
 
Some do not do this, but I also stream my audio on it as well (I store my projects on the SSD along with my OS, Sonar, Exc).

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Re: Sonar taking minutes to startup 2016/11/14 19:32:19 (permalink)
Hi, I'd like say it worked! I've added more folders to the excluded list, and also disabled some Windows Defender functions. It improved a bit, as it took 50 sec to start Sonar on the first time, which includes choosing a simple project from Start Screen. : )
 
I'll keep trying, but for now is good. Thanks for the help!
 
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