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2017/12/20 16:21:13 (permalink)

Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition

Hey folks,
we have just published a first article that describe similarities and differences between Sonar and Cubase.
We hope this information will provide a smooth transition for Sonar customers considering Cubase to be their new DAW.
We might have another one ready for tomorrow looking at the MIDI side of things.
https://www.steinberg.net/de/promotion/homebase_for_sonar_users/audio_inputs_and_mixing.html
 
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/20 16:58:36 (permalink)
    Thanks Frank!  This is very helpful.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/20 18:48:32 (permalink)
    Thanks Frank. Looking forward to the MIDI info.
     

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/21 15:53:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby StevenMikel 2017/12/24 23:52:01
    Hey folks.
    we have uploaded new content.
    In todays article we are looking at: "Setting up MIDI preferences", "Setting up control surface", "MIDI editors" and the like.
    https://www.steinberg.net/en/promotion/homebase_for_sonar_users/working_with_midi.html
     
    Of course the landing page is also still available
    https://www.steinberg.net/en/promotion/homebase_for_sonar_users.html
     
     
    Hope this helps.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/21 16:45:27 (permalink)
    Really appreciate the help Frank.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/21 17:03:51 (permalink)
    Seems the Cubase guys like Sonar's Tungsten theme.
     
    No mention of Instrument Definitions but you can write your own or here's a utility that can convert Sonar .ins files to Cubase formatted .txt files, tho it may not work for some hardware. From there just follow the instructions here.
     
    My synth has 10 banks of 10 voices each arranged in random order. This utility rearranged them by instrument
     
    Cubase "patchname" files are found in the C:\Users\yourname\AppData\Roaming\Steinberg\Cubase\Scripts\patchnames folder.
     
    C:\ Program Folders\Steinberg\Cubase\Scripts\patchnames folder seems to be a dummy folder as nothing you put there shows up in Cubase.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2017/12/23 17:07:15 (permalink)
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    ....
    C:\ Program Folders\Steinberg\Cubase\Scripts\patchnames folder seems to be a dummy folder as nothing you put there shows up in Cubase.




    Maybe that's where Cubase gets a fresh copy of the patch list when a new user on the machine starts using Cubase.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/08 16:04:49 (permalink)
    Hey everyone,
    As announced, here is our third article for Sonar users. This article puts focus on what is exclusive available in Cubase and has no equivalent in Sonar.
    https://www.steinberg.net..._special_features.html
     
    Might be worthwhile reading.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 00:23:58 (permalink)
    Hi Frank
     
    What baffles me Is that there Is 50% off for Sonar users and the price is £291 for code version and £308 for the box version
    Over here In the UK Cubase pro 9.5 is £488, so 50% should be £244 If the maths are correct.
    For anyone here In UK ABSOLUTE MUSIC are doing the crossover for £249 Boxed version .So get over there quick sharp If you want a deal.
    Got mine Saturday.
    Sonar users may as well look to the future and get on Cubase as that Is the best solution.
    Sonar will go down with future updates and It is IMO cut losses and go for It
    No pockets In shroulds!!!
    I just want Lp EQ and Multiband unlocked as for the rest not worried.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 04:52:24 (permalink)
    Thank you @Frank-US. These are great articles. I transitioned to Cubase and essentially figured the same things out with a bit of googling and the excellent manual.
     
    Another wonderful feature in Cubase is the expression maps combined with the transpose track: The combo makes it trivial to transpose keyswitched instruments.
     
    I still think that mouse-based midi-editing takes more clicks in Cubase than it does in Sonar. Not sure why, other than Cubase seem to not hold onto a selected notes to the same extent Sonar does. I often find that I need to re-select a note, whereas in Sonar that was never the case.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 06:18:21 (permalink)
    I will continue to use Sonar and probably forever, but for those of you who really feel the need to switch I vote for Cubase. I bought Cubase elements 7  a while ago and Fire it up from time to time. I need to spend more time with it and I appreciate you posting these tutorials, thank you. If I can get a little better at it I might use it more and upgrade someday. It's just without the smart tool and a few little things like that keep me with Sonar. 
     
    I remember running Cubase on an Atari. I also Have Cubase 5 LE came with my Tascam.  I have always used Wave Lab, probably logged more hours on it than Sonar. I now own Elements 7. I rate Steinberg software as the highest quality I've ever used. And it's cross platform so if you buddy runs a Mac your not screwed. Steinberg is assosiated with Yamaha another company I support. All my Yamaha gear still works and some of it is 35 years old. 
     
    Which brings up a question , Frank why has Yamaha never put out a Cubase control suface,, or have I missed this? That would really win me over. 

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 11:01:14 (permalink)
    On one of the many threads I promised to add my comments on "The Complete Guide To Music Technology Using Cubase 9" by Darren Jones.
     
    In a bid to avoid duplication, my initial thoughts are here:
     
    http://beyondcakewalk.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=979 

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 12:57:40 (permalink)
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     Not sure why, other than Cubase seem to not hold onto a selected notes to the same extent Sonar does. I often find that I need to re-select a note, whereas in Sonar that was never the case.




    Hmm, weird. So you select an event and if you want to edit it, it becomes deselected?
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 13:04:53 (permalink)
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    Which brings up a question , Frank why has Yamaha never put out a Cubase control suface,, or have I missed this? That would really win me over. 




    You're right. Yamaha hardware is nearly unbreakable. I still own devices from the 80's like the O2R or TX802. I've never had problems.
    Back to your question- we have a dedicated controller - the CC121. That unit is build by Yamaha. Super sturdy. For controlling Cubase, I don't need anything else. Works nicely with the controlroom section when you want to switch and controlling monitors (speaker).
    Cheers,
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 15:30:10 (permalink)
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    Which brings up a question , Frank why has Yamaha never put out a Cubase control suface,, or have I missed this? That would really win me over. 




    You're right. Yamaha hardware is nearly unbreakable. I still own devices from the 80's like the O2R or TX802. I've never had problems.
    Back to your question- we have a dedicated controller - the CC121. That unit is build by Yamaha. Super sturdy. For controlling Cubase, I don't need anything else. Works nicely with the controlroom section when you want to switch and controlling monitors (speaker).
    Cheers,
    Frank




    Frank - I've actually been looking at the CC121.  My only concern is the age of these - going on 10 years now.  Do you have any idea how long they will be supported? Cubase 10?  11? 12?  That seems to be the only issue with this unit.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 15:43:04 (permalink)
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    Which brings up a question , Frank why has Yamaha never put out a Cubase control suface,, or have I missed this? That would really win me over. 




    You're right. Yamaha hardware is nearly unbreakable. I still own devices from the 80's like the O2R or TX802. I've never had problems.
    Back to your question- we have a dedicated controller - the CC121. That unit is build by Yamaha. Super sturdy. For controlling Cubase, I don't need anything else. Works nicely with the controlroom section when you want to switch and controlling monitors (speaker).
    Cheers,
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    Frank - I've actually been looking at the CC121.  My only concern is the age of these - going on 10 years now.  Do you have any idea how long they will be supported? Cubase 10?  11? 12?  That seems to be the only issue with this unit.


    There are no actual plans to take this product of the market. And if it would be replaced in the future, we would support the unit for the upcoming years anyhow.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 15:51:36 (permalink)
    Thank you.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 17:27:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby anydmusic 2018/01/09 17:48:01
    I am on Cubase 9.5 after many years absents. My last version was Cubase SX 3. I did not upgrade to Cubase 4. Now I am please to say Cubase 9.5 pro is very good indeed.  Many of the things I didn't like about Cubase have been fixed with much easier ways of doing things. The PRV is far better now. It is at least as good as Sonar's. The Mixconsole is a fun thing to use and look at. Though not as useful as Sonar's its very good. The Project view( the main view) Has a lot going for it. Nearly every good feature of Sonar's Track View is included in Cubase's Project view it used to be called the Arrange View). Here you can setup a split view divided where you would like. There is a Navigation window like Sonar's. What Sonar never had Cubase has an arranger track that lets you change the order of sections of the project playing back. With it you can play back different versions of a song with repeated sections and the order a section plays.  Very cool feature. You can have a stationary cursor which I prefer.     
     
     
    All my hardware is supported in Cubase and is simple to setup.  
     
    All in all Cubase 9.5 pro is a mature DAW with a  lot to offer Sonar users. Performance is very good on my very old system. 

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 19:44:46 (permalink)
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    Hey everyone,
    As announced, here is our third article for Sonar users. This article puts focus on what is exclusive available in Cubase and has no equivalent in Sonar.
    https://www.steinberg.net..._special_features.html


    I very much appreciate this.  And it is good marketing too.  I'd suggest it would be smart to maintain similar references in comparison to all the major products (StudioOne, Reaper, FL, Live, etc.)
     
    I think you are selling yourself short with the depth of the chord support.  You mention Chord Pads, but that seems to me to be a very small part of the chord support.  The whole idea of enabling MIDI entries to follow the chord structure is quite significant.
     
    And it would also be nice to have an article listing the things where Cubase is lacking.  That would at least let the potential customers know you are aware of the difference and you might suggest a work-around.  For example, lack of ARA support is a biggie.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 19:52:53 (permalink)
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    And it would also be nice to have a paper listing the things where Cubase is lacking. That would at least let the potential customers know you are aware of the difference and you might suggest a work-around. For example, lack of ARA support is a biggie.


    I might bite, but I already have Studio One and Ableton and I know the problems/missing features with these.

    Anybody care to list some more? That way I can compare holes.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 21:10:22 (permalink)
      I think if you want a very good notation (score editor) Cubase is the one to get. I mean this as so many Sonar users have requested better scoring in Sonar for a long time. Here is where Cubase has no peer. 
     
     

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 22:08:00 (permalink)
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    Anybody care to list some more? That way I can compare holes.



    Comparing SONAR to Cubase, I really haven't found anything else (besides the inability to use Melodyne as it is intended) that has caused me any great difficulty.  Everything else I have wanted to do, I am able to get Cubase to work.  Overall, I'd say Cubase is very feature rich, but not as intuitive as other products.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 22:20:17 (permalink)
    I am not so convinced Cubase 9.5 is so great.  I have only tried it out for several weeks with minimal sized projects and already I have had to trash the preferences file twice to get the MediaBay from freezing up after a simple selection.  Seems that adding content files to 'my Favorites' in the MediaBay gets Cubase in a tizzy.  A complete reboot is necessary after each of these 'Cubase' freezes, and Windows10 Task Manager doesn't help as the program cannot be 'ended.'  And after 10 days there is no response from the Steinberg help desk other than the obligatory 'we got your request' response.  A Steinberg forum member did clue me in on allowing Cubase rebuild the preference file, but there seems to be something else going on as it has now happened twice in a very short time.  
     
    I can say that Sonar crashed on me a hand full of times in over 5 years, and usually it was associated with using Melodyne with too large a clip.  Samplitude PROX3 has also been very stable on my system. 
     
    the biggest thing I will miss once the Cakewalk servers go down is this forum.  Members have been very helpful.    

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 23:28:02 (permalink)
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    the biggest thing I will miss once the Cakewalk servers go down is this forum.  Members have been very helpful.    


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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/09 23:29:12 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/10 00:12:31 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/10 00:42:59 (permalink)
    Cubase:
     
    1. I had a mediabay crash too; I haven't even installed content yet.
    2. The Cubase patch/bank selection mechanism is awesome & beyond Sonar. It is able to do non-standard bank changes, e.g. for my modified D-50 (MEX). But it requires editing an obscure xml file.
    3. Looks like Cubase sysex bank handling may not be so good. Manual says you can only edit & save the 1st block of a sysex dump. All my Rolands dump multiple blocks. Sonar has a great sysex view, a librarian if you will, and has a big list of common dump requests and a way to enter new ones.

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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/10 01:03:00 (permalink)
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/10 07:57:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2018/01/10 08:01:27
    cparmerlee
     
    And it would also be nice to have an article listing the things where Cubase is lacking.  That would at least let the potential customers know you are aware of the difference and you might suggest a work-around.  For example, lack of ARA support is a biggie.


     
    Had a small meeting yesterday about this subject and I can confirm that ARA support is on our "must have" list.
    I can't give you a specific date though, but it will come.
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    Re: Sonar to Cubase: A smoother transition 2018/01/10 13:46:31 (permalink)
    Dear Frank,
     
    do you have any news regarding the two issues that some people pointed out?
     
    1 - Cubase shouldn't mute the track while recording on it?
    2 - Cubase shouldn't mute overlapping takes in lanes?
     
    Thanks a lot for your support,
     
    regards,
     
    Giorgio

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