rbosco60
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Sonar vs Pro Tools?
Well I have been a loyal Cakewalk user since 1999...
But? Enough is enough! Is there anyone else who feels the way I do! Are you tired of having to purchase the latest version long before the last platform is even fixed? Sure bugs will be in any software program! But how many times are we expected to PAY for the solution. The "X series" has been a cash cow. Now we have the ridiculous membership program. Sure a few new features to the same interface, a few added plug-ins and once again we are forced to update. (Did Gibson buy XLN Audio too?...lol) I have addictive drums and its a decent drum program. Seems to be another marketing incentive. My guess is we will paying $150 OR MORE every year for the latest fix.
Perhaps its time to switch to the industry standard and get it over with. I don't wont to own stock in Gibson.
Gaslight Productions/ Mobile, Al,
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 09:54:05
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When I read this I thought "he doesn't seem very angry". I check out his "Studio" and just ads. He's not a troll, he's a spammer. Pretty good no links workaround. Move on, nothing to see here folks.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 09:55:14
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rbosco60
My guess is we will paying $150 OR MORE every year for the latest fix.
Well, you get a lot more than just fixes for the price of the update and I think most software companies, including Avid, don't do new bug fixes for versions that are no longer being sold. A lot of SONAR users feel features like VocalSync, Mix Recall, VST3, Melodyne support, and others (which Pro Tools doesn't have) are pretty significant. As to the membership program, regarding Pro Tools you might want to look before you leap and check out the fine print. Not saying SONAR is perfect, but as someone who's used every DAW out there except Reaper (couldn't get past the UI), no DAW is and the grass is not always greener on the other side. However, there are usually some patches that are greener, which is why different people choose different DAWs.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:03:34
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Don't feed the trolls or spammers
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:07:45
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☄ Helpfulby pencilartist 2015/03/02 10:36:58
I should probably point out that Gaslight Productions/ Mobile, Al is a genuine, Sonar using studio.
Sonar Platinum - BandLab Cakewalk - Presonus 16.0.2 - Tannoys - Lava BandLamp ?
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:08:31
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:14:51
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Someone annoyed by buying upgrades recommends Pro Tools?
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:15:30
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There is nothing but ads at the site. And there is adware, malware pop-ups.
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Songroom
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:18:37
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Possibly not his web site ?
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:36:36
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Songroom
Possibly not his web site ?
The name at the site is the same as the name he registered with at the forum. He may have taken just part of the real studios name. If he set up a site for this maybe he is doing it at other DAW forums.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:44:35
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 10:46:56
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Hey man, I'm perfectly good right now with X3e. I'll eventually move to the newest but I almost never jump on to a new software release immediately. I believe it was X3c or d before I moved to X3 from X2. I can see reasons to move to PT but NOT for lack of bugs or performance improvements.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 11:14:02
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BassDaddy
When I read this I thought "he doesn't seem very angry". I check out his "Studio" and just ads. He's not a troll, he's a spammer. Pretty good no links workaround. Move on, nothing to see here folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIGM8Ce8rfk -> 3:34
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 11:16:49
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I believe that ProTools is the industrie standard because it is too costly to just dump it and get a different DAW. But if you have the money to buy into ProTools and pay all that extra money for just a software product, Then you can be like the Jones's and maybe someday understand what it's all about.
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pencilartist
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 11:21:04
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tbosco
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 12:04:48
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LOL... he's my blood brother, and there is no spam, no adware, trolling, or the like in his posts or website. He has a very nice studio space in Mobile, AL, and he's the one who got me using SONAR back at version 8.5. And I'm sticking with Sonar with no plans to try something different any time soon....for the reasons Mr. Anderton pointed out. 
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 12:27:27
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I assume the OP has investigated the AVID support policy for ProTools, or has been using an older completely bug-free version and has found no need to update. Or has spent as much time on the forum below as he has here. http://protools.ideascale.../recent/campaigns/1088
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Beepster
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 12:33:41
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tbosco
LOL... he's my blood brother, and there is no spam, no adware, trolling, or the like in his posts or website. He has a very nice studio space in Mobile, AL, and he's the one who got me using SONAR back at version 8.5. And I'm sticking with Sonar with no plans to try something different any time soon....for the reasons Mr. Anderton pointed out.
Heh. I was going to say that the dude was trying to mimic your handle but that makes sense. Kind of an odd first post though. I did not check out his site.
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Blackiejames7
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 12:48:53
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As a Cakewalk user since 2000 the new Platinum is everything you need to create world class music of any genre and I would say Pro tools has nothing over Sonar. I have no problems with the new membership program and if you can't spend a few bucks a year to stay current then just work with what you already have and call it a day.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 12:52:59
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rbosco60
Well I have been a loyal Cakewalk user since 1999...
But? Enough is enough! Is there anyone else who feels the way I do! Are you tired of having to purchase the latest version long before the last platform is even fixed? Sure bugs will be in any software program! But how many times are we expected to PAY for the solution. The "X series" has been a cash cow. Now we have the ridiculous membership program. Sure a few new features to the same interface, a few added plug-ins and once again we are forced to update. (Did Gibson buy XLN Audio too?...lol) I have addictive drums and its a decent drum program. Seems to be another marketing incentive. My guess is we will paying $150 OR MORE every year for the latest fix.
Perhaps its time to switch to the industry standard and get it over with. I don't wont to own stock in Gibson.
Gaslight Productions/ Mobile, Al,
Hey man, that´s your first post in this forum ?  Wow!!!!!!
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 13:03:18
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konradh
Someone annoyed by buying upgrades recommends Pro Tools?
Yeah, that's a bit ironic, isn't it? Haha. The Avid forums are full of people complaining about the same subject (at a much higher price, I must add.)
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BlixYZ
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 14:44:16
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PLEASE stop feeding the trolls.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 15:54:54
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 16:51:19
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I can understand being unsatisfied, but I too find it odd that you refer to Avid when they pretty much are doing a less flexible and more expensive version of the same thing. Avid has awful customer support. Be upset with Cakewalk/Gibson. Bent away your frustrations, but don't let your anger cause you to jump from frying pan into fire based on that. It's like choosing Mac over Windows because MS is a huge corporate bully and ignoring the fact that so is Apple.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/02 16:51:29
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Blackiejames7
I would say Pro tools has nothing over Sonar.
Well, Pro Tools has native Mac support. But I know quite a few people who run SONAR under Boot Camp with a MacBook Pro. They claim it's the best Windows laptop available 
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rbosco60
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/03 22:40:32
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Yep ! Its an odd first post but its not spam. Over the years, I have produced countless projects in Sonar. I'm just disappointed! In the past I have always stayed one version behind intentionally. Don't have to deal with bugs that way and by the time I bought it, of course it was 1/2 price or less. Guess those days are gone...lol Just venting some frustration here! Thanks for the comments and opinions Troll? ...(lol...Not hardly) Sonar X3e Windows 7, 64bit Homebuilt Asus 6 core, 80GB Ram Lynx Aurora 16
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/03 22:46:33
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I use both because I have to sometimes.
I still prefer Sonar. Don't kid yourself Pro Tools has plenty of bugs as well.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/03 22:51:14
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rbosco60
Yep ! Its an odd first post but its not spam. Over the years, I have produced countless projects in Sonar. I'm just disappointed!
In the past I have always stayed one version behind intentionally. Don't have to deal with bugs that way and by the time I bought it, of course it was 1/2 price or less. Guess those days are gone...lol
Just venting some frustration here!
Thanks for the comments and opinions
Troll? ...(lol...Not hardly)
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I'm not sure those days are gone. You can buy 12 months, so you get to keep the product. Then but another 12 months 2 years later. Will there be price reductions during certain periods? Well there was an introductory price, I don't think cakewalk has ruled out a sale price at certain times of the year. Wait and see.
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lfm
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/04 04:49:56
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rbosco60
Yep ! Its an odd first post but its not spam. Over the years, I have produced countless projects in Sonar. I'm just disappointed!
In the past I have always stayed one version behind intentionally. Don't have to deal with bugs that way and by the time I bought it, of course it was 1/2 price or less. Guess those days are gone...lol
Just venting some frustration here!
Thanks for the comments and opinions
Troll? ...(lol...Not hardly)
The funny part for me was - Avid ProTools, did you at all check out the new policy of theirs from oct last fall? Buy ProTools, $899 and then annually $199 to stay in their support/upgrade plan. Stay out one year and message from Avid is - Buy new license $899! Yes, you can use the version you bought - but cannot re-enter support plan. Buy new is your option. Or you can rent license for $29/month - and it stops working when stops paying. Or buy HD version, if you feel you need on track monitor or something. $3000 or so, and annually $599. Still unclear how you get a working license if staying out one year - buy new hardware too? Really odd beast.... Cakes policy is really fair and if this is better for them - I'm in supporting that. Stunning piece of software Sonar - and for more than fair price, me running Artist.
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Re: Sonar vs Pro Tools?
2015/03/04 08:05:01
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lfm
Cakes policy is really fair and if this is better for them - I'm in supporting that.
Cakewalk also believes this will be better for customers because of customers not having to wait for features, the potential for a more stable product, and the inclusion of content. As pointed out earlier in this thread, you can still buy SONAR more or less the way you could before if you'd prefer that. For me the biggest issue with Pro Tools isn't the bugs or the lack of tools I've come to depend on in SONAR, but I get lower track counts at equal latency settings.
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