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Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
If there patch enables all the touch controls in windows 8... We will be able to have a monitor emulate a console and be able to visually touch all the controls instead of using a keyboard and mouse. not sure bout you guys but to me that would be Hella kool at least to play with :)
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/10/31 01:02:51
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When you have a control surface to work with touch screens don't mean that much. Clearly there is a movement toward everything being virtual.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/10/31 01:32:03
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I've got a Dell multi touch (21.5 inch) to play with since last year.. and it didn't work well with Win 7. 1. With Win 7, the touch did not translate well into mouse movement. Fader movement is accelerated, hard to control. With the step sequencer, touch-hold did not engage the delete note function (mouse right click). The patch will probably address these issues. ...but even if the patch for Win 8 works.. 2. For the current X2 screen, 21.5 inch monitor is too small to move the console fader with any accuracy. Part of your finger will cover the fader, making it hard to see the movement. A really big monitor might help. Also, there is this slight delay moving the fader by touch, where as with the mouse wheel, it's immediate. Then you have the problem where to place the touch screen.. as pointed by many here, placing it at regular position, your arm get tired soon. @21.5 inch, the monitor is small enough to be placed flat or at a low table..but with small faders problem. Big monitor will be hard to be placed flat. Perhaps a feature to make the fader bigger is good. I have suggested a feature request for this. It may be just a feature to be compatible with Win 8, but I won't be practical to use.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/10/31 01:41:08
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If they can't give us custom colours what makes you think they can figure out touch-DAW. Seriously, I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 01:36:19
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 04:48:13
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I can think of nothing worse or ergonomically unfriendly than sat jabbing at a screen 2 feet away from me. The scope for Upper Limb Disorder is enormous
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 05:29:14
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The beauty would be to have it flat in front of you, as you would with a control surface. More and more touch screens are made for that now. The potential is great. Too bad I hate touch screens on everything except for on phones and tablets. Faders must be physical. YMMV I've been using a Wacom pen thingy with Sonar for years - I love it! But the faders are impossible to control with it. Lots of other stuff works fine. What will be interesting to see is how the new Win8 gestures can be used in Sonar. There are quite a few touch mouse varieties coming from Logitech and the like, made for Windows 8 without a touch screen. I think I'll be geting one of these. That's the plan anyway. And hopefully the Wacom will actually work with faders in Sonar after the update.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 05:39:16
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ProjectM The beauty would be to have it flat in front of you, as you would with a control surface. More and more touch screens are made for that now. The potential is great. Too bad I hate touch screens on everything except for on phones and tablets. Faders must be physical. YMMV I've been using a Wacom pen thingy with Sonar for years - I love it! But the faders are impossible to control with it. Lots of other stuff works fine. What will be interesting to see is how the new Win8 gestures can be used in Sonar. There are quite a few touch mouse varieties coming from Logitech and the like, made for Windows 8 without a touch screen. I think I'll be geting one of these. That's the plan anyway. And hopefully the Wacom will actually work with faders in Sonar after the update. You stole my thunder. LOL. I was thinking along the same lines. We don't know what all this will bring to us in the future. I'm thinking that the hardware CS will at some point be a thing of the past. But not yet. Though its on its way. A year or two from now could see a very different way of working with Sonar. If its done right and it appears it just may be, we have nothing to fear but rejoice in the progression of technology. Who knew that this subject 20 years ago would be a subject?
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 05:45:28
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It was a subject 20 years ago - among science fiction writers and nerds. Guess we all are nerds now then Hardware CS - actually, one of the reasons for why I steped down as a live sound engineer is because of the digital revolution. I can't stand working on these fancy things with touch screens. OK, the faders are there but I don't like it when what I'm working with is hidden away when I might need them the most. And pointing around on a touch screen doesn't alow me to focus on several thing at once while paying attention to the show. I may be too stupid to figure that out though. I may sound old now but I'm not, I'm 30!!  If I'm doing any live sound these days, it's with a VI6. But in the studio I could get away with it. Prefer hardware though. I like to touch these things and be able to look away from the CS and feel what's going on. Hopefully the physical fader will be with us for 1000 years to come, when I perhaps will retire.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 06:57:21
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> If they can't give us custom colours what makes you think they can figure out touch-DAW. Trying not to laugh as I happily use the existing user interface...
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 07:18:11
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touch control on a large monitor is as useful to me as 13:9 aspect ratio monitors.. that is, no use at all.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 16:33:55
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iPad does the job. Like Bristol, I can thnk of nothing worse than having to stretch over the keyboard to move faders on a screen. Touchscreen on a daw is a bit daft tbh. iPad and third party software fine. But still not really worth the effort. However, you can do synths, daws , fx with an iPad and its wireless, so still wins vs windows 8 and a touchscreen monitor. Monitors generally have to be plugged into the mains. Which is where I think windows 8 will fail. Laptop fair enough, but cost vs iPad and a desktop is still more expensive.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 18:24:40
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No way in heck I'd want to reach out and touch my screen for every adjustment. I'm in enough pain as it is. The ONLY thing that Win8 offers me is the extra power but that will be rendered moot if it ends up that my hardware drivers get screwed up or if support ends early because MS has moved onto another OS version. Win 7 Pro and Home will be supported by MS until 2018 (Ultimate until 2015... which I'm glad I found out before buying it) and all my current hardware works with it and I'm sure any future hardware I purchase will work with Win7. I am not adventurous. I am not a maverick. I just want my crap to work. Peace.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 18:48:36
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Sorry - In my opinion a touch screen can never replace a mixing table with motorized faders. I want to touch and feel the knobs "in the blind" without keeping a constant look on what the hell I am moving. Call me old-fashioned, but I just want to work comfortable (and sometimes closing my eyes to concentrate on what is happening in "music space"). And that means just reaching out and feel what I am doing.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 18:59:43
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For me the best thing would be for Cakewalk to release a Metro/Android/Apple "app" that can remotely handle Sonar, just handling the transport, record arming, and ability to do a volume level mix on the fly for headphones. Just really simple and cutdown. That would be a good use of tablets. Great for people wanting to remote control their recording when there isn't somebody else at the "desk".
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 19:06:21
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That I agree with whole heartedly, Alex. In fact if there was a way to control Sonar on my Win7 DAW easily and effectively with a Win8 tablet I'd certainly consider it.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 19:17:08
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You can do it on the Apple app Store no probs. Why wait for cakewalk to release it? It's all there and works well. A bit of configuration but if that's what you want, the cost is loose change really. Wifi and wifi card on pc essential. I rarely use it and haven't bothered setting it up on new pc and x2. , but ac7 pro worked fine on previous versions . Still no where near an apro hardware midi controller and x2 for total integration and control.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 19:31:57
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> In fact if there was a way to control Sonar on my Win7 DAW easily and effectively with a Win8 tablet I'd certainly consider it. Well I've done it with my netbook - you can use remote desktop - works very well... you would need a tablet with full Windows 8 (or Win 7) to do the same (not one of those surface thingies that just runs metro).. Remote desktop gives you remote access to the whole screen (i.e. whole of Sonar) which is a little over the top, but it works well. An app would be far easier to handle.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 19:38:47
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Cheers. That will be something that requires far more research on my part. There isn't any money for it at this point anyway but I am indeed curious so I can unglue myself from the big rig while tracking.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 20:03:04
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Until you get tired of holding your arms up. Which for me is about 10 seconds. Touch screens are for point of sale terminals. Pads maybe ok but you cant lean on them like you can a console Just my opinion.
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Re:Sonar + windows 8 may be awesome.. when they patch here is why
2012/11/01 20:34:39
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> Touch screens are for point of sale terminals. Yup that's metro ! :).
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