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2013/11/21 15:49:19 (permalink)

Sonar x3 keeps crashing

Hi,
 
I've just finished my X3 installation. When opening and starting the playback of an "old" X2 project, the music starts playing and after about 30s the playback stops. Sonar doesn't react anymore. At this stage I've only solo-ed only one midi channel, without any audio, so there should be no vst or audio driver active. (I've already tried to change the ASIO settings to WDM anyways - but it keeps crashing.)
 
Here's my system:
- Win7x64
- Sonar x3 (c) producer
- Midiman DeltaAudio 1010lt
- 2 ESI m4uxl
- 1 Midisport 4x4
- and several USB modules
 
The system was setup from scratch some weeks ago, so every driver incl. Sonar should be up to date.
X2 worked very well on the same hardware before I re-installed everything. So I don't believe in hardware issues.
 
Do you have any advice for me?
What can I check or test?
How would you start debugging?
Can I activate kind of logging?
 
I appreciate any kind of help! :)
 
Cheers,
Chris

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    FuddyDuddy
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/21 16:32:39 (permalink)
    For starters, maybe create a short project completely in X3, and see if that works okay.  That would indicate the X3 installation is basically solid.  Then sift through the X2 project and try and isolate the element that is messing things up.

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/21 17:41:37 (permalink)
    The driver will be active.
    Please check the event viewer.
    And for fun please disable the 64-Bit Double Precision audio engine.

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/23 13:17:58 (permalink)
    Thanks for your feedback! I've already created a new project with x3 - even with audio engine. Works perfectly. So it must be something within the old x2 project. There are V-Vocal-Clips inside which x3 doesn't have. Maybe that's it?
     
    Thanks,
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/23 15:30:36 (permalink)
    V-Vocal is still available in X3, but you will have to use the X2 custom install, and select V-Vocal only to install.
    Then it will appear as a Region FX in X3.
    I have many X2 projects using V-Vocal that I can open in X3c, and have no troubles working with them.

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/28 17:06:02 (permalink)
    Hey nynekker,
     
    what do you mean by "but you will have to use the X2 custom install"? I've installed X3 on a new HD.
     
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/28 17:50:35 (permalink)
    What are your actual computer system specs (processor, Ram, drives, etc)?
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/28 17:58:43 (permalink)
    PSBoy
     
    what do you mean by "but you will have to use the X2 custom install"? I've installed X3 on a new HD.
     

    X3 does not include V-Vocal. If the projects require V-Vocal, you will have to install V-Vocal from a prior version of SONAR. IIRC, V-Vocal is not a separately installable component. Perform an advanced install of X2 (there is a screen near the beginning of the install process providing basic and advanced install options) and install SONAR. The advanced install allows you to skip installing everything else but since you are running the X2 installer you may want to install R-Mix (it is not included with X3 either).
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/29 03:17:57 (permalink)
    PSBoy There are V-Vocal-Clips inside which x3 doesn't have. Maybe that's it?

    that's almost certainly it - but really sonar should handle this more gracefully, ie, handle it like a missing plugin, not crash, there's too much crashing generally
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/11/29 03:33:11 (permalink)
    #2 and #7 ?

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/12/22 17:28:56 (permalink)
    Hi everyone,
     
    thanks again for your feedback! I tried to do an advanced install of sonar x2 producer but couldn't find an(y) audio plugin named v-vocal ... there's been lots of plugins but none that reminds me of v-vocal. Is it part of R-Mix?
     
    @noynekker: Can you please describe how you've made v-vocal work for you? Did you also have crashing issues before you installed v-vocal?
     
    @jscomposer: win7x64, 8gb RAM, samsung ssd, Intel processor (i guess q6600)
     
    Hm. Just tried to watch the Event Viewer to see what happens when Sonar crashes - and guess what, it doesn't crash anymore. I have absolutely no idea why, I haven't performed any update. It seems to be stable with x2 files as well. Maybe I scared X3 when I perfomed the X2 installation ;)
     
    Anyway. Thanks a lot for your help! I'd still love to install v-vocal, maybe noynekker can still provide a short description?
     
    Thanks and Merry Christmas to everyone!
    Chris
     
     

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/12/22 17:33:31 (permalink)
    As I wrote above, V-Vocal is not a separately installable component. To get V-Vocal, the basic program must be installed. This can be done using the advanced install options and de-selecting everything but the SONAR program itself.
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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/12/22 17:34:58 (permalink)
    V-Vocal is part of the Sonar program itself. R-Mix should appear in the custom installation listing.
     
    Am I assuming correctly that you re-installed X2 Producer?

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    Re: Sonar x3 keeps crashing 2013/12/28 13:36:53 (permalink)
    Ah, I see, sorry. I thought you wanted me to install nothing within the advanced installation but V-Vocal.
     
    I will not install X2 as I don't want to "irritate" X3 somehow (on my newly set up computer).
     
    Thanks a lot for your help and support, I really appreciate it!
    Have a great new years eve and all the best for 2014!!

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