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Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
I've always used Sonitus Multiband Compressor, but I wonder if the LP-64 Multiband would have any additional advantage?
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 15:39:14
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LP-64 hits the CPU pretty hard!!! it's a great tool but mainly for mastering audio.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 16:52:24
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Could someone tell me if I get the same results with both, or what are the differences between the two?
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 17:23:18
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☄ Helpfulby rogeriodec 2016/12/08 17:52:12
The LP is a so called Linear Phase compressor (Linear-phase keeps all the frequencies 100% in phase. In other words, all the frequencies pass through at the same speed, resulting in zero phase issues between bands) and I believe the Sonitus is not Linear Phase.
Therefore the LP should sound a little better but at the price of higher CPU consumption/latency.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 21:45:28
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Sheanes
The LP is a so called Linear Phase compressor (Linear-phase keeps all the frequencies 100% in phase. In other words, all the frequencies pass through at the same speed, resulting in zero phase issues between bands) and I believe the Sonitus is not Linear Phase.
Therefore the LP should sound a little better but at the price of higher CPU consumption/latency.
Thanks for this explanation of "linear phase". Just two sentences in parentheses and now I think I get it. I assume that's the same basic approach to the LP-EQ as well, which would allow for boosting of frequencies without worrying about introducing phase issues.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 21:49:17
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☄ Helpfulby Afrodrum 2016/12/09 05:37:04
No, you aren't likely to ever detect an audible difference between them.
So why choose one over the other? Each has features the other doesn't, and each one has its own distinctive UI. If you're comfortable with the Sonitus, LP MP's user interface might seem a little obtuse. But overall the LP MB is more sophisticated if you're not put off by the learning curve.
Sonitus:
- variable knee
- common (group) settings
- can mute individual bands
- more CPU-efficient
- optional limiter
- minimal latency
LP MB:
- bigger UI
- spectrum analyzer
- non-contiguous filter ranges
- per-filter M/S options
- auto-release option
- longer release times possible
- external sidechain
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/08 22:21:15
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I'm just getting caught up on the new tools added to Sonar this year. Was sitting on X3 until this past August. The linear phase tools LP-EQ and LP-MB are impressive. They allow you to have a lot of control, but there is a big gotcha. Unless you are mastering and can tolerate the huge buffering cost incurred by the LP look-ahead processing, make sure that you run these plugins in non-linear mode if you are tracking or recording, or using anything where you expect real-time latency. You can still take advantage of the graphic views in these powerful tools, using the non-linear mode (under Precision in the "Expert" menu), without the performance hit. LP-MB video overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNHcQX14hWU LP-EQ video overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8ShTTgHkqM More info here: http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2016000035/SONAR-2016-04-Update-Notes
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/09 18:55:24
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This topic motivated me to search for better mixing plugins, where I found these fantastic products from FabFilter.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/09 19:24:12
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rogeriodec
This topic motivated me to search for better mixing plugins, where I found these fantastic products from FabFilter.
Looks similar to the new LP-MB that is included in Platinum. Did you even try out the LP-MB? http://www.cakewalk.com/S...R-2016-04-Update-Notes Similarly to the LP EQ, the LP MB has been re-designed from the ground up as a VST3 replacement plug-in for the LP-64 Multiband. It has much in common with the LP EQ, including linear-phase operation (which can be switched to non-linear to conserve on CPU power), the ability to process the left and right channels independently, mid-side processing, and spectrum analysis. http://www.fabfilter.com/...q/using/processingmode
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 01:02:21
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Its extremely powerful, and useful, and sounds great. Quite reminiscent of the fab filter line for certain. As far as the op, I cant comment on the sonitus ability to be used as a mastering compressor, where the linear phase stuff really shines in that context, as a processor that likes to handle mixes... as opposed to single minstruments. An easy way to tell a processors intended use is whether or not it actually has Mid Side capabilities, or... for example, in Ozone from Izotops, theres a "Stereo Unlink" so the sides react to material differently. A multiband that is meant to throw on a guitar, or vocal for example, may not have these features
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 07:10:40
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rogeriodec
This topic motivated me to search for better mixing plugins, where I found these fantastic products from FabFilter.
Looks similar to the new LP-MB that is included in Platinum. Did you even try out the LP-MB?
LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 08:08:45
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cool
LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.
With LP-MB and LP-EQ, just click on the Expert menu and select Precision > Non-Linear. The huge latency is gone. You can still use these great tools for their band selection features and spectrum analyzers without incurring the huge buffer impact. Linear phase processing always needs a look-ahead buffering process to keep your audio in sync, which results in latency. The same steps will need to be taken with FabFilter's linear phase mode. For example: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/pro-q/using/processingmode The Processing Mode button in the bottom bar selects the type of EQ processing. In almost all cases, either Zero Latency or Natural Phase modes will deliver perfect results, and when linear-phase processing is needed, you can of course use Linear Phase mode with a customizable resolution. Zero LatencyIn Zero Latency mode, Pro-Q 2 matches the magnitude response of analog EQ'ing as closely as possible, obviously without introducing any latency. It is Pro-Q 2's most effecient processing mode, and absolutely sufficient for most applications.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 08:54:21
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cool
LP-MB and LP-EQ are great tools, the same as FabFilter, but give huge latency and do not have enough convenient analyzer.
With LP-MB and LP-EQ, just click on the Expert menu and select Precision > Non-Linear. The huge latency is gone. You can still use these great tools for their band selection features and spectrum analyzers without incurring the huge buffer impact. Linear phase processing always needs a look-ahead buffering process to keep your audio in sync, which results in latency.
The same steps will need to be taken with FabFilter's linear phase mode.
For example: http://www.fabfilter.com/help/pro-q/using/processingmode
Thank you! Now I checked, this is true for EQ's. But FabFilter MB do not produce huge latency in any of three modes. I don't know why this happens. Logically, latency in the EQ and MB should be the same.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 10:48:13
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☄ Helpfulby rogeriodec 2016/12/10 11:15:36
If a plug-in has latency, it's there for a reason. Often times it's lookahead, which increases the precision of dynamics control. Other times it's just because it uses a lot of CPU. Transient Shapers often require both. If you compare a low-latency TS withone that has a lot of latency, odds are you'll favor using the one with more latency. BTW it's not a given that linear-phase always sounds better. At high Q settings, there can be pre-ringing. This is one reason LPs are ideal for mastering, where you want "surgical" EQ and don't need to push the Q much. LP makes the biggest difference at high frequencies but also, remember that the band interactions and phase shifts with conventional EQ are what give them a specific "character." People pay for EQs that emulate vintage console EQs specifically because they DO have anomalies. Also, all things being equal, linear phase EQs will seem to have less of an effect compared to similar settings in a non-LP EQ. I think a lot of the reason people hear big differences among EQs is because there are differences, due to design philosophy and intended goals. For a quick reality check, put the QuadCurve on program material and try out the different curve types. Imagine if each one was a separate EQ module instead of options in a single EQ module. Odds are people would debate which EQ sounds "better." 
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 13:03:59
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As stated above, LP isn't necessarily "better" but just different. And don't mistake the extra latency or CPU usage as a sign of it being "better" - it's really just that the the processing necessary for achieving linear phase is less efficient and linear phase also necessitates some latency for technical reasons related to the pre-ringing mentioned above.
Competently designed modern digital EQ's should all have excellent audio quality - they just produce different frequency and phase responses. Some also add analog modeled distortion/coloration. And of course, some have better UI's than others and some intentionally have limitations to make them particularly suitable for one job or another.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 13:44:09
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I'm having fun with the LP-MB in non-linear mode. The best feature I see is the flexible band assignments you can work with. This thing can really do some sound shaping effects!
I haven't really used the LP-EQ much, which graphically seems to have a lot in common with the Quadcurve EQ.
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Re: Sonitus Multiband vs LP-64 Multiband: which one should I use?
2016/12/10 13:51:10
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What's great about the LP-EQ is being able to EQ left and right channels separately, and do mid-side processing.
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