Sound Card Compatibility

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2006/01/14 08:32:21 (permalink)

Sound Card Compatibility

Is the EMU 0404 sound card an issue with Music Creator? I can record to Sound Forge, Cubase and lots of other apps but Music Creator doesn't work somehow. I did not find my card on the CW compatibility chart and just want to verify. I have it set up for ASIO output. Is that the issue? BTW - I have Music Creator 2003, if that makes a diff.

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    millerbill
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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/14 11:57:36 (permalink)
    Don't know about recording with your card, but the answer should be in your manual.
    Perhaps you are trying to record into a MIDI track instead of an AUDIO Track? Did you ARM the track? Did you start the Creator Tutorials?

    I do know that for MIDI your EMU requires a softsynth. In other words it doesn't have standalone MIDI capability. You can use ROBOMUSIC's softsynth tutorial on this forum or install the Proteus X LE software (bundled with the EMU 0404).

    Good luck.

    Using soft synths ] - RoboMusic

    When using midi tracks in MC or any sequencer, there are many way to reproduce the sound from the midi data. One can use an internal synth on ht esound card, or inside XP there is Microsoft synth GS, or you can route thru a soft synth that you download or install, some are synths some samplers, others use sound fonts, each has unique capabilities tha you can use to reproduce midi data into sound.

    Mc only uses DX type instruments as synths unless one installs a wrapper type program, thes allow you to use VST instruments and effects, VST is a trademark that comes from cubase, and anyone who makes a program that uses VST technology must gain access to that from Cubase, Cakewalk uses DX technology that is from Microsoft development. So keep in mind that at first you need to obtain effects and instrument that are designed with DX technology.

    In order to use soft synths to replay a midi file you will need to play them through an audio track, this will allow the midi to be routed through a soft synth and produce an audible output. Here is what you need to do, and for this tutorial we will use Edirol VSC (VSC stands for Virtual Sound Canvas) but for all intents and purposes, this will work with any DX instrument, and at the end I will post links to several that you can down load.

    First let’s go to a midi download site and down load a file, then we will open it in MC and process it. Go to this site http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/creed90952/index.htm?mtbrand=AOL_US

    Go down the page and find the eagles best of my love file, we will use this as the example, right click the file and then click save as target, save this file in a folder you are familiar with, then a pop up box will appear, that with ask you to open , click cancel.

    Now open MC and go to file and then click open, the open box will allow you to find the folder that you saved the file in( the file name is bestlove.mid), then when you do double click it, it should open in MC. Now you will have a file that has 10 tracks of midi, there will be one track that say words on it, ignore it. Now under the last track that is named “Ride”, place your cursor and right click, a box will pop up go up and chose “insert audio track”, maximize that audio track by clicking the double box icon next to the MSR on the track, then right click the fx box and chose Dx Instruemtns, (or DX synths for MCPro) and click on Edirol VSC, Edirol will pop up close it for now, minimize the track again, and then maximize each midi track one at a time and left click each output box and chose Edirol VSC as the output, then minimize each until all of them have Edirol as the output device. Now hit play, and the file should play thru Edirol.

    Okay let’s learn to change up the sounds in Edirol a bit, go to the audio track that has Edirol in it and maiximize it again, double click on edirol and it should pop up into view. Each track has been assigned to an instrument, this is because Edirol acts like a GM/GS synth like the one on the sound card, but with a little bit better tones. At the bottom of Edirol is a button called setup, click that and a box will open, change the generator tones to GS from GM, and slide the polyphony bar to 128 and hit okay. and then move Edirol down just a bit hit play again Now notice that you can adjust the panning, volume, reverb, expression, delay and chorus so if you want adjust a couple of those as the song plays.

    Now that is the basics, you can use any DX instrument to do this depending on it’s personal attributes, some only do one track, other do many. If you want more than one synth, then open more than one audio track to hold them. You might want edirol to do everything but the drums and guitar and use sampletank for those, then open two one for each.

    To get more synths go here http://www.kvraudio.com/ go to the side and see a box that has the words instruments, effects, host, etc. and click that then go down to advanced search, in box 1. click on instruments, go down further and find 2. and click DX, then down to 3 and click only Windows, then to 4. and click only free, then down to search. There should be 5 on the list go to sampletank, sonic synth, synth 1 and triangleII download each of these and they will work with MC be careful to follow the instructions for each carefully, this will take some time be patient, this will set you up for some great sounds.
    post edited by millerbill - 2006/01/14 12:07:44
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    love2fret32
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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/15 08:33:12 (permalink)
    Thanks for the reply. This is anolder version of MC and the manual or online help doesn't talk about ASIO drivers for this product. The track is Audio, and my sound card mixer meter is showing input activity (I'm recording digital audio from a Roland 840 VS external mixer.)

    I have no problem with MIDI, although I think I will now switch to the Proteus software. When I bought the card Proteus didn't come with the bundle but I just downloaded it from the E-Mu site and it seems promising.

    After more research, it appears that I may be better to upgrade to MC Pro or Sonar Home Studio, since they claim to handle ASIO drivers.

    Again - thanks for your help.

    Rayman
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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/16 00:14:15 (permalink)
    hey,

    just a little insight, I have a 1212m. Granted, I use it now with ASIO in Sonar, but you can use it with WDM and it works fine. The problem is probably in your Patchmix routing. I wouldn't waste the money just for ASIO, personally.

    Joe
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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/16 21:46:33 (permalink)
    MC does not recognize ASIO, you have to have at least MCPro. WDM is fine for most situations, ASIO is a tad faster but not much, I guess it is really only an advantage for multitrack inputs.

    All the E-MU stuff is good these days a far cry from the creative line.

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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/16 22:45:59 (permalink)
    WDM is fine for most situations, ASIO is a tad faster but not much, I guess it is really only an advantage for multitrack inputs.


    Not necessarilly. I've heard Echo products work better in WDM, and, to be honest, the E-MU reacts the same in WDM and ASIO. It just depends on the quality of the driver. That's the main reason Creative cards suck.
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    RE: Sound Card Compatibility 2006/01/17 02:24:10 (permalink)
    I guess, I ahve heard as recently as July that Echo still had serious problems with the WDM drivers. I guess it is a case of what system, sound card, and spftware one uses they all work in one way or another, with my Delta setup I have always used the ASIO and it is rock solid with my MTS program, with MC i use WDM, since it does not use ASIO.

    MME = the original driver model for Windows 32 bit apps introduced in Windows 95.
    WDM = the "new improved" driver model from Microsoft available in Windows 98. It was much more robust in a lot of ways than the MME/VxD model.
    ASIO = a driver standard created by Steinberg specifically for the purpose of audio use with low latency.

    At the end of the day they all sound the same. Use which ever one works. Personally I use ASIO most of the time with softsynth stuff it is nice to have the low latency with, but for most uses, so long as it works, use it.

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