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Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
Hi folks! Scandalous Grace is still working hard to bring new tunes! Beagle: lead vox, Rhodes, drum programming, mix, production, lyrics and music gtrpastor (Sean): Electric Rhythm, BGV's Makeshift (Mike): Bass, Electric Rhythm, BGV's special guest: Kendra Kaneversky: flute All comments are welcome, mostly looking for advice on the mix! thanks! NEW MIX: https://soundcloud.com/scandalous-grace-band/sound-of-the-spirit-1 on the new mix, I've completely reworked the drums and lead vox, reduced the amount of flute and other things which have been suggested here on these great forums! you guys are great! P.S. AND the new upload is 24/44.1 wave file you can download if desired for your listening pleasure! :)
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/02 19:51:54
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Good song. It's just my opinion, but the lead vocal seems to be leaning the left here. I think it would sound better in the center. Personally I would also consider having a snare and ride on the chorus too. I like the toms in places...IDK, just my opinion. Good song, Great intro. I like the harmony vocals and flute.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/02 23:30:20
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Drums seem to feel out of place and distorted/over compressed. Lead vocal is lost in the chorus. Guitars sound good but are a bit too up there in the mix. Floot part is very nice. Bass sounds good. Is this a 24bit upload? If not I would sure like to hear one.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 05:21:50
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overall decent. I would repeat the line, "calling out...calling out...calling out" as well as preaching out, preaching out, preaching out, will give the song more memorablility Good to hear a flute. I agree with the ride cymbal, ding,ding,ding,ding to give it some support and zing Well done
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 08:03:43
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Guys, this is an interesting song. However, I don't think the mix or the arrangement does it justice. The mix seems directionless to me. Kinda like you haven't decided yet what goes where in the mix. I had an extremely hard time hearing the lyrics....I could hear a singer but not the words. This intro was unique...and probably the best part of the song. The reverb was too heavy but the intro had me curious in a good way..... Once the song started.... verse 1.... it became just another average song. The flute was nice.....however, use it as spice, not something that rambles on and on and on behind the singers. It sounded like it could have used melodyne in a few places, as it sounds sharp on the higher notes. This is one of those songs that could either use a good hard new look at the mix or..... do a rewrite of the song and start again on the recording....or both. I know you guys are capable of doing better. Listening to your other stuff.... this one has a bit of work left to do. .
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 10:56:11
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Clint - thanks so much for your time to listen and comment, we appreciate it very much. The lead vox are spread wide into the stereo field for effect, but based on your comments and others here, I am reconsidering that and will at least look at what I can do to make it better. thanks for your observations there. I also am going to work on the drums based on yours and others' comments. thanks for your input! bapsi - thanks matey for listening and commenting. we all appreciate it very much! we have been talking about you in the other forum, ya know. oh - not one with a cakewalk domain! no - for our banned! anyway - thanks for the comments on the drums. I had thought about reworking the drums when we changed directions and added the flute instead of the chants, but I didn't. but now I will revisit the drums. thanks! same message to you as I said to Clint, the lead vox were purposefully done that way, but I need to rethink and look at what I can do to make them sit better in the mix. thanks again! thanks for the flute and bazz comments! Mike really appreciates you appreciating him, so we appreciate it. ahhhhhhh! BTW - I uploaded the 24bit/44.1kHz version, but on this account we don't have the pro version, so I think they re-sample it back to mp3, is that right? IDK. we've talked about going pro on this account, but haven't decided on it yet. thanks again for your help! Cian - thanks so much for listening and your great comments! I am definitely at least going to rework the drums. Herb - thanks for listening and thanks for all of your insite and comments. based on yours and others comments above I am going to work harder on the mix, rework the drums and remove some of the flute so that it's not playing all the way through. thanks again for your help! thanks again everyone! these comments are most helpful!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 11:06:36
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Not much I can add to what has already been said as all the things the struck me as I listened have been mentioned above. As to the conversion I do believe if you added the download function we would get the 24bit wave but as you so rightly mention it is converted to mp3 (128 bit). Will keep the furry peepers peeled for the remix.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 11:30:31
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Thanks John! It is now permissible to download. HTH
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 12:11:22
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Thanks Reece but this furry alien from far far far away is completely and utterly wrong the download appears to be an MP3
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 12:39:26
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Wookiee Thanks Reece but this furry alien from far far far away is completely and utterly wrong the download appears to be an MP3
GASP! maybe I accidentally uploaded the mp3 instead of the wave. I'll have to check that tonight.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 12:50:22
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Basically cool idea here, and I agree with much of the above. I like a wide mix, but I'm not sure the hard panning is working. It kind of misses the unity, if that makes sense. I'm picturing your lead vox ( which sound pretty good, by the way), panned about 50% left. In particular, I'm getting "come spirit, come" as a call, waiting for a Large response filling center to 50% right. This is a potentially very powerful piece, but it's not quite there yet. Work it, brother. I want to hear this one soar!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 14:40:07
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Beagle
Wookiee Thanks Reece but this furry alien from far far far away is completely and utterly wrong the download appears to be an MP3
GASP! maybe I accidentally uploaded the mp3 instead of the wave. I'll have to check that tonight.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 14:42:51
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RobertB In particular, I'm getting "come spirit, come" as a call, waiting for a Large response filling center to 50% right.
Like maybe 5 or 6 voices?
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 15:30:56
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Beagle we have been talking about you in the other forum, ya know. oh - not one with a cakewalk domain! no - for our banned!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 15:52:38
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You said.....the Bazz sound good. The guys said that I got the Bapu stamp of approval.....to which I posted.....this...
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 17:45:21
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Good song, Reece. I hear things in the mix but the other guys play with the mixes more than I do and they had a lot of good comments. Your vocals get better all the time, Reece.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/03 17:53:41
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bapu
RobertB In particular, I'm getting "come spirit, come" as a call, waiting for a Large response filling center to 50% right.
Like maybe 5 or 6 voices?
That would be a good start. I 'm thinking..from the valley sprang forth a great and mighty song.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/04 03:25:31
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nice job....I think the middle of the mix sound a bit void and I think maybe centering the vox a bit more...but shes very strong...i like!!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/06 20:47:26
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Reece, your silence here suggests to me that you are really drilling into this mix. I'm looking forward to the next version.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/07 18:02:35
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A good song with mix problems is still a good song. With - you guessed it. OK, please post your reworking of it. One thing, I'd change the basic drum meter. Think of the Queen song "We Will Rock You" - that's happening in your song - "boom boom CHUNK!" and I think a more standard and straightforward 2/4 pattern would help sort thinks out. Towards the end, just toms and toms, no snare. I'd vote, keep the snare. Majorly curious to see if anything happens to this. best, -Tom
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/07 21:38:47
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I really liked the flute. That was the first instrument I learned to play. IMHO my only thought was to bring the vocals up near the end after about 2:40 and lower the backup instruments which seemed like a little too much competition. Nice work.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/08 09:00:22
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Nice melody on the verse, like that. Those drums have to go though Reece, they really don't fit the song. The verses are crying out for a simple kick/hi-hat/stick pattern, and all those toms on the chorus are just getting in the way.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/08 09:10:47
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RobertB,
Reece is working on some changes. Drums are a part of what he has been working on in the new mix. He has sent the band members several tracks to listen to and comment on. I think he is getting close to putting out another version for listen. We appreciate the comments and interest in the song.
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/09 09:32:36
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So sorry guys, yes, my silence here means I'm working diligently on a new mix. I'm completely reworking the drums and I think those of you who have mentioned the drums will be pleased with what I've done with them. the vocals are the one thing that have been giving me the most trouble, but I've been working hard on getting them to sit correctly in the new mix. I will probably have a new mix up tonight or tomorrow. I'm still running things by the rest of the band to see what kinds of things need tweaking. thanks for you patience and thanks so much for all the great comments on the mix! I really am trying to implement these great suggestions!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/09 10:10:05
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I listened, flute was great, mix needs some work, more bass? And perhaps more reverb on the drums, they sound like they're in a box. Rhythms are a bit disjointed in various places too (vocals and instruments), but I think the song still carries decently well. Looking forward to hearing the new mix. :)
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/09 20:47:44
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Thanks again, everyone for your comments and suggestions! I have a new mix up now. I've made a lot of changes to it, completely reworking the drums, end to end, reworking the vocals so that they're centered and not spread, reduced the amount that the flute was playing and made other adjustments as needed and following your great contributions. the new version is now at: https://soundcloud.com/scandalous-grace-band/sound-of-the-spirit-1 I've edited the top post as well. all comments/suggestions still welcome!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/09 20:49:51
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Yay
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/10 00:37:05
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Somebody give that beagle a bone! This is much more cohesive. It still has a nice width, but now the vocals and instruments feel more like part of it. Nice integration and focus. Your vocals sound more proud, up front. Nice treatment on the bgv's. Yeah, this rocks. Good job, buddy!
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Re: Sound of the Spirit by Scandalous Grace
2015/02/11 09:03:32
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Ed! Thanks Bob! I appreciate all the feedback you guys have given and am glad it has paid off!
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