dlion16
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Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
title says it all. Split no matter what tool i select, i can't split a clip. yes, S is bound to Split at Now Time. doesn't work. i hold alt, the clipper comes up, i highlight a section and click or hit S, nothing happens. if i highlight a portion of a clip to split and then press S, it puts a split somewhere else in the clip. Nudge i select a clip. i try to nudge a clip using the numeric keypad, 1,4,7,3,6,9, a cross arrowed cursor moves on a track 4 tracks down. with numlock on i get home and end. trying to use process, nudge, left 1, x1 crashes and can't be shut down with task mgr, the computer must be restarted. i repeated this several times: open a project, select a clip, go to process, nudge, left1, crash, must restart. any ideas? win7/32, core 2 quad, 4gb ram.
post edited by dlion16 - 2011/01/20 17:37:09
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 16:40:50
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For nudge there are 2 things to consider on a Nudge left/
1. The clip can not start all the way to the left Eg. 1.1.000
2. You can not have the track selected or the time line will begin at 1.1.00 so make sure just the clip is selected.
For splitting turn off the Snap to grid if you are not wanting to use it which is perhaps why it is splitting at different point. There are various options for splitting.
1. Select the clip, select the point on the time line and hit S
2. With smart tool Right click on the wrench/(spanner) and select the split tool. Left clicking with it on a selected clip will split at the the point you click.
3. If you want to split out a section select the section in the time line with the clip selected, right click the clip and select Split - Split at selection.
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dlion16
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 16:55:04
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thanks. after three restarts, i got split to work with the alt method, it didn't before.
as far as nudge, nada by keyboard. not at the beginning, the minute i click on a clip the track is selected. crash by menu...
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 16:56:19
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One more split option - alt-smarttool. Cursor should change to scissors once the mouse is moved slightly.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 18:10:51
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Check your Preferences - Customization - Snap and Nudge.(advanced has to be checked at the bottom)
In the nudge dialogues.
Should likely be using either Ticks or Milliseconds. If it had been set to musical time it defaults to measure so that is where your problem could be coming from
For example I have mine set as follows
Nudge 1 Absolute time 1 Ticks
Nudge 2 Absolute time 2 Ticks
Nudge 3 Absolute time 3 Ticks
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 19:27:31
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I've had problems with splitting clips also.
I would click on the clip to highlight it, set the timeline to where I want the split, right click, tell it to split, and nothing. I even checked my undo history to see if it maybe split a different clip other than the one I was working on and there was no split in the history.
As for nudging, I haven't tried that yet, I'm afraid to. I just zoom in real close and drag the clip manually.
All these little bugs are really getting old. I'm REALLY getting sick of this.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 19:47:09
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Split works just fine but one needs to know how to split. There are numerous ways to split a clip.The easiest for those that are not into the smart tool is click the wrench tool and then right click on it to select split. This gives you a scissors too and keeps that wayl. A single click with it at the spot you want and a split occurs.
The fast way is with the smart tool simply use alt with placing the tool at or near the bottom of the point where on the clip you want to split. A scissors tool will appear and you do your split. There are other ways to split as well.
Nudge, One needs to be sure nudge is on in the preferences then be sure you have the num lock on and use the appropriate keys on the num pad keys to do your nudge. Its that simple.
What I find odd is people commenting on how something doesn't work without knowing how to do it. This is a new phenomenon on this board that needs to stop. Neither split nor nudge is broken or buggy. They both work just as they are supposed to.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 22:24:47
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Not sure what to tell you to help you with your denial that X1 is in fact messed up in many ways John. I'm also not sure what to do to help you with your dictator syndrome either other than remind you this is not your forum and we can and will say any thing we want to short of violating any rules set forth by Cakewalk, not you. You're not an administrator, or even someone who remotely keeps the forum afloat, so please, stop telling people what they can and cannot do. Please.
I've been working with clips since around 2000. I think I got a pretty good grip on how to do it. I've only ever used Cakewalk/Sonar so I completely understand how to right click on a clip, click on 'split' and then click 'ok'.
All I can tell you is, in the project I'm working on in X1 currently, sometimes when I try to split a clip, nothing happens, and there is no record of it in undo.
Split is 100% definitely buggy. I can't speak for the nudge function because I haven't used it in X1 yet. But I do know how to use it, because I have used it extensively in the past. I'll test it, and if I find that it's not working correctly, I will come back to this thread and +1 the OP.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 22:45:06
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Too strange Bub. I just spent a couple of hours tonight on refining a lead vocal with numerous splits and not one hiccup in X1. I use to get this behavior however in 8.5.3 where I would click for the split and nothing would happen. It was like program was not getting focus at the point I was working. Often wondered if some VST was having an issue in the background and stealing focus.
Also nudge is working fine as well. Had a series of parallel parts that need nudging just a few milliseconds. Every one worked flawlessly. Not saying you are not having problems but it's interesting the range of of issues people are having.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 22:45:11
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I'm not finding it odd anymore. Fact is that some people are finding it buggy while some of us are not having issues.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 22:47:39
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/20 23:07:28
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Not sure what to tell you to help you with your denial that X1 is in fact messed up in many ways John. Perhaps so. However not everything in it is. It helps no one to consistently offer some vague notion about it not being workable in a particular way if you have no evidence that is so. If you don't know how something is done in this new version please don't attribute that to some bug that is due solely to your bias against it. Yes it has problems but the real ones are not helped by creating imagined ones. It puts us all at a disadvantage in finding what works and what doesn't.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 00:11:00
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dlion16
title says it all.
Split
no matter what tool i select, i can't split a clip. yes, S is bound to Split at Now Time. doesn't work. i hold alt, the clipper comes up, i highlight a section and click or hit S, nothing happens. if i highlight a portion of a clip to split and then press S, it puts a split somewhere else in the clip.
Nudge
i select a clip. i try to nudge a clip using the numeric keypad, 1,4,7,3,6,9, a cross arrowed cursor moves on a track 4 tracks down. with numlock on i get home and end. trying to use process, nudge, left 1, x1 crashes and can't be shut down with task mgr, the computer must be restarted.
i repeated this several times: open a project, select a clip, go to process, nudge, left1, crash, must restart.
any ideas?
win7/32, core 2 quad, 4gb ram.
Hi, I didn't see if your nudge thing was solved, but it sounds like you went into keyboard navigation mode by accidentally pressing the 0 (zero) key on the keypad. When you press that key, you get a cursor with a crosshair on the screen. Press the zero key again to turn it off. It happened to someone else about a month ago and he eventually figured it out.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 12:16:13
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stepd, ah, thanks about the 0.
lorney, i'll check to see if nudge is set to musical time.
so, i got split to work, but why make it more complicated than hitting S? makes no sense.
as far as nudge, i'll use the suggestions. but, i can reproduce a crash for nudge from the menu (process: nudge: left 1) crashes every time, and the computer myst be restarted.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 12:32:25
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I've reached the conclusion I must've downloaded a different version of the program to many others.........
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 12:36:54
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update.
using suggestions here, i got split to work using the alt clipper. even with the S key bound to split, S doesn't work as in 853.
nudge.
i cannot get nudge to work. i reported a bug to CW re: menu process, nudge, left 1 with nudge set to follow snap settings, snap set to move, high, audio zero crossing checked. crashes every time.
i set nudge to 1,2 3 ticks. no crash, but no nudge. now, with numlock on, track screen scrolls left or right. numlock off, nothing.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2011/01/21 12:40:50
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Neither split nor nudge is broken or buggy. From the Known Issues section of the SONAR X1 Readme: Drag and Drop Dialogue Options and Nudge Settings Having the Slide Over Old to Make Room option checked in the Editing section of the global Preferences will cause Nudge to improperly function on MIDI data. If this option is checked, all notes to the right of the nudged MIDI notes will jump to the right with every nudge, regardless of the direction of the nudge. The amount these notes will jump to the right is determined by the number of notes selection. It is recommended to those who use Nudge frequently, to keep Slide Over Old to Make Room unchecked, however this option was maintained as it can be useful for those needing that functionality.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 12:52:57
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☄ Helpfulby guitarcher1 2016/06/22 19:43:27
i set nudge to 1,2 3 ticks. no crash, but no nudge. now, with numlock on, track screen scrolls left or right. numlock off, nothing. Sounds like you're getting into QWERTY Keyboard Editing mode by pressing 0 with the numlock on; see page 383 of the Reference Guide. This mode will override the nudge keybindings. With or without the Numlock on, you should be able to use Ctrl with the numkeys to nudge. I think this is still a default keybinding in X1, but with all the customizations I've made/imported to X1, I'm not sure.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 13:18:29
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brundlefly
i set nudge to 1,2 3 ticks. no crash, but no nudge. now, with numlock on, track screen scrolls left or right. numlock off, nothing.
Sounds like you're getting into QWERTY Keyboard Editing mode by pressing 0 with the numlock on; see page 383 of the Reference Guide. This mode will override the nudge keybindings.
I already told him that, but maybe he forgot.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 13:27:51
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StepD
brundlefly
i set nudge to 1,2 3 ticks. no crash, but no nudge. now, with numlock on, track screen scrolls left or right. numlock off, nothing.
Sounds like you're getting into QWERTY Keyboard Editing mode by pressing 0 with the numlock on; see page 383 of the Reference Guide. This mode will override the nudge keybindings.
I already told him that, but maybe he forgot. Ah, yes. I did a quick scan of the thread before posting, and missed that. Definitely sounds like it's part of the problem.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 14:09:32
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I found a nudge bug before I sat X1 down. Many times, if I selected a clip and nudged it left, after the 1st nudge the selection would change so that the beginning of the selection was not at the beginning of the clip, but rather at 00:00:00... So then, I couldn't nudge any more to the left because the selection was already all the way to the beginning of the project.
So, If I wanted to use nudge left, I had select clip, nudge, select clip, nudge, etc... one nudge at a time. That is one of the reasons X1 is sitting way at the far end of the bench.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2011/01/21 14:15:31
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i'm not working with midi.
yes, i discovered the 0, and by toggling it on and off and immediately hitting nudge keys, i was then able to get nudge to work as expected. i have no clue why, maybe there's some setting that i have set wrong?
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2012/04/30 10:05:13
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☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2016/11/17 22:06:25
Thank you Thank you Thank you StepD. I've just been dealing with the same problem. Nudging did not work and I would get this strange curser thing pop up when I tried. Press numeric 0 and everything works great. You saved me hours of frustration.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2012/04/30 14:13:09
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I posted an issue with Split a few months ago and got a number of responses. Sometimes Split just quits working and I have to reboot. Neither scissors nor right click will Split an audio clip.
Maybe not related, but the same thing happens with Cut, Copy, and Paste. Sometimes they will stop working until I reboot.
Wild idea, but maybe Sonar is losing the clipboard or temporary memory location. That would definitely break cut/copy/paste and would probably break Split since it probably needs the clipboard: there has to be a copy of the split and unsplit clip in memory during this operation or during Undo.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work
2012/04/30 15:38:32
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John
Not sure what to tell you to help you with your denial that X1 is in fact messed up in many ways John.
Perhaps so. However not everything in it is. It helps no one to consistently offer some vague notion about it not being workable in a particular way if you have no evidence that is so. If you don't know how something is done in this new version please don't attribute that to some bug that is due solely to your bias against it.
Yes it has problems but the real ones are not helped by creating imagined ones. It puts us all at a disadvantage in finding what works and what doesn't.
I use the split and nudge actions all the time. Never a problem with splitting/nudging - typically I like to use the alt/left mouse click for splitting. A couple of things I keep in mind when splitting or nudging is whether to use/or don't use snap to... depending on the material where it needs to land. Another is, if I know I need to move a portion of the clip, I make room for the "nudging" by slip editing for some space to work in. I would never be absolute around who is/is not having problems. However, like FBB said, I must have gotten a different version of Sonar... I have a simple thought for having a well oiled sonar or any daw session. Keep my computer lean as possible (mine doubles for another business) and use or get a reliable audio device with steady/stable drivers. I've had a delta1010 for the past 10years that just keeps in ticking. My eye is on something RME in the future or perhaps Roland's Octa-Capture when the delta has run its' course.
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2012/04/30 17:32:34
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FastBikerBoy
I've reached the conclusion I must've downloaded a different version of the program to many others.........
Ya, yours is devoid of even the known issues.... 
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2012/05/01 01:42:17
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FastBikerBoy
I've reached the conclusion I must've downloaded a different version of the program to many others.........
Ya, yours is devoid of even the known issues....
Never denied the known issues, God knows I've reported enough of them. Mine is missing some of the user error ones though. The ones it did have got fixed pretty quick once I've learnt how to use it or done a bit of manual reading though. Besides which, what sort of Fanboi would I be if I admitted there were problems? I'd get sacked. 
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Re:Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2012/05/01 18:10:10
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You are not alone, I've called in with the split tool not working on recent projects (since X1D). One minute it's working as expected, then next NOT. So a work around is to Start a new blank project and then drag your NON-splitting project in via the Browser. Very annoying. Nudge will completely make selected midi disappear. Randomly though. Not consistently.
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Re: Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
2016/04/12 01:16:38
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Hi - I have been having the same problem - the solution below re the zero key fixed both nudge and split.
Hi, I didn't see if your nudge thing was solved, but it sounds like you went into keyboard navigation mode by accidentally pressing the 0 (zero) key on the keypad. When you press that key, you get a cursor with a crosshair on the screen. Press the zero key again to turn it off. It happened to someone else about a month ago and he eventually figured it out.
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Re: Split and Nudge don't work - OK just nudge (thanks to help om split)
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This thread is 4 years old and references a version of Sonar which has been updated several times. You might try posting a new thread about your specific issue and include your specific hardware and set up.
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