Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before

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2011/10/19 06:31:14 (permalink)

Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before

I'm seeing some very strange behaviour when trying to split a clip. Never seen it before but it is consistent at the moment. I think I've checked all the obvious but suggestions please.........

I have a cymbal track that originally had one long clip as a result of a mixdown & export in a different project. I have just recorded some fresh cymbals into a single clip in a new layer in the same track. One of them is slightly off on timing so I thought I'd split the clip and move the offending cymbal hit. Simple right? Er..... no........

For some reason when I try and split the clip the split is happening 5 1/2 beats before it should. I have my snap to set to 1/8. I have the now time in the right place and so far tried Alt+click, Keypress 'S' & Right context menu "Split..." command. The right click - context method does nothing. Both other methods same result.

Every other track is showing the exact same behaviour, no matter where I try to split the clip, any clip on any track, it splits at exactly the same position. This happens whether snap is active or not.

On further investigation the bass track has what looks like a split in its clip at the very point that the split happens. I say looks because it isn't a split, it is one single clip, but also at this point in the bass track there is a symbol at the bottom of the clip, just to the right of the "phantom split" that looks like a magnifying glass at an angle. It looks like it might be an audiosnap symbol. I haven't knowingly used audiosnap on the bass track but I have disabled it any way via the inspector. There are no transients at that point either, I've zoomed in and it actually falls between a couple of transients.

I have a feeling I may have inadvertently activated something or inserted something but I have no idea what. I've never seen anything like this before.

Anyone any ideas at all? Thanks in advance as always.
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    stonehedge
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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 09:28:13 (permalink)
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    The symbol at the bottom of the clip sounds bizarre. Can you send a screen grab picture to look at? Maybe someone has seen this before. Couple things I would try. Rebuild the layers, or, move one of the layers out to a different track. The bass track sounds like it has a small sliver layer in it that looks like a split. What happens when you turn layers on in that clip? Is there anything else there?

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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 09:54:56 (permalink)
    It's a big stretch, but if your magnetic snap is at weakest value, maybe?

    Also, look in event list - all tracks. HTH - Shep

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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 10:34:26 (permalink)
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    FBB
    The symbol at the bottom of the clip sounds bizarre. Can you send a screen grab picture to look at? Maybe someone has seen this before. Couple things I would try. Rebuild the layers, or, move one of the layers out to a different track. The bass track sounds like it has a small sliver layer in it that looks like a split. What happens when you turn layers on in that clip? Is there anything else there?


    Hi thanks for the reply.

    I've since closed and re-opened the project which has made the problem go away. However I managed to repeat it again but I don't know how.

    I use a touchpad similar to a laptop which doubles as my numeric keypad via a switch. It seems that I somehow knocked my touchpad to numeric and this symbol moved up when I pressed 8 and down with 3. That would suggest that whatever it was, was some sort of clip moving with my nudge settings. That still doesn't explain what it was, although I had been pasting a clip about a measure long not long before it happened. I can't swear to it but I think I tried the layers option following the same sort of logic as yours and there was nothing there.

    Having said that even if it was a rogue clip it doesn't explain why my snap had attached itself to that one and only point. While I was messing around trying to pin it down I also clicked on it and the symbol turned into what looked like a mini 'move' cursor but anchored to the bottom of the clip as before. The actual cursor worked fine.

    It may just be some strange goings on with my touchpad but I've never seen anything like it before. Another thing that happened when I re-opened the project was audiosnap telling me it was re-building transients, although as I've said I've not knowingly used audiosnap anywhere on this project.

    If it comes back I'll grab a screenshot. I was attempting to make a video of it but had problems with that which is when I closed the project and the problem was gone.



    It's a big stretch, but if your magnetic snap is at weakest value, maybe?

    Also, look in event list - all tracks. HTH - Shep

    Hi I checked snap values and magnetic strength, bizarre thing is everything was snapping to this one point even with snap completely off. Event list didn't show anything. Spooky.........
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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:03:54 (permalink)
    Could this be some sort of "offset" thingy??

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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:05:51 (permalink)
    Right it's back and I now know how to control it, still don't know what it is though.

    Here's some screenshots







    The 'move cursor' in the second shot isn't my cursor it's attached to whatever that small line is.

    Any ideas. I can control it at will by the following all numeric keypad.

    0 - Appear/Disappear
    1 - Change symbol to Magnifying glass
    2 - Move it down a track (nudge setting?)
    3 - Change symbol to move symbol
    4 - Nudge it left 1/4 (nudge again)
    5 - Resets it's position to central horizontally in the TV
    6 - Nudge it right 1/4(nudge setting again?)
    7 - No apparent affect
    8 - Move it up a track
    9 - Selects the track with it on and makes the symbol disappear, leaving just the line.

    Once it is there everything snaps to that and only that regardless of whether snap is on or not. My keybindings show nothing bound to numeric - 0 and my nudge settings should be bound to the other numeric keys, which they are as long as I don't press 0 first.

    Another thing worth noting is it doesn't show in the event view at all, it can't be selected or moved via the mouse. It looks like it's there by design. Is it a feature I'm unaware of?

    Does anyone else see it? What is it? Have I gone mad?   Perhaps it's stress.....
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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:15:23 (permalink)
    See Enhanced Editing on page 382 of the Reference Guide. It's enabled/disabled by hitting 0 on your numeric keypad (EDIT: when Numlock is on).


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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:16:49 (permalink)
    Yes, that is a feature. It's called the Free Edit Cursor and it was added to provide support for editing in SONAR with the V-Studio 700 Control Surface, but (as you've found) you can also control the cursor with the PC keyboard.

    You can read more about it in my free V-Studio 700 eBook...
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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:32:39 (permalink)
    Ah thanks for that brundlefly & garrigus. Just goes to show even after all these years of Sonar use, I've still got stuff left to learn.

    My keyboard works like that even with num lock off but as I said I use a combined trackpad/numeric pad so perhaps that's why. Num lock here only affects the qwerty keys that double as numbers.

    The snapping was the thing that confused me, I'd got into the mode unknowingly and then couldn't work out why everything was suddenly snapping to one point. Oh well, back to mixing...........

    Thanks again.........
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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 12:40:27 (permalink)
    If you had your a 8.5.3 control bar open 24/7 you would have known when ( and then had a chance to figure out how ) you instantiated audio snap.

    ;-)


    Glad to see you got the problem worked out.

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    Re:Split clip - bizarre behaviour, anyone else see this before 2011/10/19 14:02:53 (permalink)
    Perhaps it might come in handy if it is exposed in the Mackie Control Surface preference file.

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