Keni
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Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
OK...
the fact that they're offering a bundled notation software with Sonar seems to say to me that they don't plan on doing much more on this in the near future... But I may be wrong...
But what's with the new layout of buttons in the window? Stacking them all the way to the left and not allowing user adjustments? Great, we can remove buttons, but what about moving the buttons to a more convenient location on the screen? To have to continually go all across the screen to change note values is horrible...
I've never needed much staff notation, but now that I've been using it a little I can see why others have compained so bitterly for years...
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 13:53:36
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+1
If the staff notation was better I would not need Sebilus.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 14:01:11
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+1 as well.
I have never really used the staff notation for much other than editing. I use Finale. I would love to see better printed scores in Sonar. However, I won't hold my breath because I don't think this aspect of the program is really what Sonar wants to be about.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 14:21:09
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Hi Keni- now that I've been using it a little I can see why others have compained so bitterly for years... And I'm one of them  !, but I can also see this as a way for CW to offer an alternative until they improve their own SV. I primarily use Finale for notation, and posted a while back about a way to "integrate" the two (not perfect, but it works  ). I don't know much about Notion, but my ideal would still be a beefing up of SONAR's SV so at least the basics are covered. If I need something more sophisticated, I already have it in Finale. Personally, I don't read too much into it; that since they're offering this now they won't offer that in the future. It's certainly possible, but I'll wait and see. -Susan
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 14:31:11
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I'm all for better staff features. When i need a quick printed part out of Sonar, I end up hand writting in articulations and other info. It sure would be nice to look at a score when creating an Orchestral or big band piece
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 15:05:41
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Since I now have Finale, and it's a VERY complex program of it's own, I'd be happy to just be able to open up Finale WITHIN Sonar, just like I'm able to open up Sound Forge for specific editing within Sonar.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 15:12:19
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koolbass
Since I now have Finale, and it's a VERY complex program of it's own, I'd be happy to just be able to open up Finale WITHIN Sonar, just like I'm able to open up Sound Forge for specific editing within Sonar.
You can run them side-by-side, and record MIDI from SONAR to Finale and vice-versa. Not perfect, as I said, but it works. You can look up my post on this if you're interested. I don't have the link handy. -Susan
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 15:52:07
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Susan G
koolbass
Since I now have Finale, and it's a VERY complex program of it's own, I'd be happy to just be able to open up Finale WITHIN Sonar, just like I'm able to open up Sound Forge for specific editing within Sonar.
You can run them side-by-side, and record MIDI from SONAR to Finale and vice-versa. Not perfect, as I said, but it works. You can look up my post on this if you're interested. I don't have the link handy.
-Susan
If you happen to find the link, could you post it? I'm curious to see posts from people who bought the Notion 3 package. Personally, I'd love to see just the handling of triplets with embedded rests resolved - that would be just fine for me. I'm into notation for editing and rarely do I print. So "Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar" is what it's all about for me. BTW - with the crazy posts on the forum over the weekend, I think I'll just lay low with the notation improvements stuff...
post edited by pbognar - 2009/09/28 17:02:57
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Keni
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 15:59:59
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Well...
As I'm not much of a notation user, I am not very knowledgable in this area, but I know enuf to realize that the basics are not in place... It was real torture simply trying to insert specific note values at specific locations... Very tediuous for no reason... Why link the snap and note values? Very wasteful...
I see the reason there are not repeat signs as Sonar is linear, but enabling that for people inputing composition is necessary for many who want/need real scores output (printed)...
If they can get a 3rd party software that Sonar can read and/or output data to easily? I'm seeing right now that I will need to transfer files via smf to/from a program such as Finale... Not very elegant, but at least here I understand their' reluctance to develope it more (internal to Sonar).... But I still think it would be nice...
Or even allowing the toolbars to be moved! ;-)
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 16:03:17
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Keni
the fact that they're offering a bundled notation software with Sonar seems to say to me that they don't plan on doing much more on this in the near future... But I may be wrong...
I'd say you are right on the money. I wouldn't expect any improvements in Sonar notation in the foreseeable future. If you need notation, there are many other options available, but if you want it "included" in Sonar, then you need the Sonar Notation Edition. I use Finale PrintMusic.
post edited by daveny5 - 2009/09/28 22:38:50
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 17:19:23
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As another long time Whiner about SV, I'll throw my two cents in. I had to break down and buy Sibelius several years ago. I find it to be a cumbersome program that often does things counter-intuitively, Based on a Hope and a Dream, i just ordered the Elite package with Notion3 bundled. I liked what I saw on their website, so here's another 100 bucks down the drain, or perhaps a solution.
I'm now committed to the fact that Cakewalk will NEVER improve Staff View. I'm not going to get in a debate about whether SPE should or shouldn't have notation, I'm just going to echo what's been said all over the forum - In it's present condition, It's laughable and they should remove it for that reason alone - It's ancient code, and it shows it.
My biggest disappointment has been the silence of Cakewalk over the years on this issue. Just tell us you don't want to deal with it! I find the silence completely out of character with the excellent response they give to every other feature of the software. I suppose Staff View resembles the mail man too much for CW to love it.
I'll start a thread once Notion3 is delivered and I get it re-wired.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 17:31:36
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fastelder
As another long time Whiner about SV, I'll throw my two cents in. I had to break down and buy Sibelius several years ago. I find it to be a cumbersome program that often does things counter-intuitively, Based on a Hope and a Dream, i just ordered the Elite package with Notion3 bundled. I liked what I saw on their website, so here's another 100 bucks down the drain, or perhaps a solution.
I'm now committed to the fact that Cakewalk will NEVER improve Staff View. I'm not going to get in a debate about whether SPE should or shouldn't have notation, I'm just going to echo what's been said all over the forum - In it's present condition, It's laughable and they should remove it for that reason alone - It's ancient code, and it shows it.
My biggest disappointment has been the silence of Cakewalk over the years on this issue. Just tell us you don't want to deal with it! I find the silence completely out of character with the excellent response they give to every other feature of the software. I suppose Staff View resembles the mail man too much for CW to love it.
I'll start a thread once Notion3 is delivered and I get it re-wired.
Ed
Perhaps it's laughable, but I prefer that it remain in Sonar - at least for editing. It's not hurting anyone by its presence, or eating up any CPU cycles, or causing any bloat. Just pretend it isn't there if you don't like it - for me, it's better than nothing at all.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 17:40:10
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Perhaps it's laughable, but I prefer that it remain in Sonar - at least for editing. It's not hurting anyone by its presence, or eating up any CPU cycles, or causing any bloat. Just pretend it isn't there if you don't like it - for me, it's better than nothing at all.
Well, I agree also, because I like the little dots as opposed to no dots. I'm just making the point that by ignoring it, it does more harm than good to the product. They shouldn't even list it as a feature. I can only imagine how I would feel coming from another product and checking this out thinking "Oh good, they have notation also" and then seeing how poorly it stacks up.
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2009/09/28 17:44:50
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Perhaps it's laughable, but I prefer that it remain in Sonar - at least for editing. It's not hurting anyone by its presence, or eating up any CPU cycles, or causing any bloat. Just pretend it isn't there if you don't like it - for me, it's better than nothing at all.
Well, I agree also, because I like the little dots as opposed to no dots. I'm just making the point that by ignoring it, it does more harm than good to the product. They shouldn't even list it as a feature. I can only imagine how I would feel coming from another product and checking this out thinking "Oh good, they have notation also" and then seeing how poorly it stacks up.
I hear ya. We can only hope that they are in secret negotiations to buy Notion and integrate it into Sonar. Maybe the Notion 3 bundle is sort of a "getting to know you" type of thing. And those who buy the bundle will get a discount on Sonar 9. Wait, was I dreaming that or did I type it out loud?
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Re:Staff Notation INSIDE Sonar
2013/08/15 08:19:36
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Although originally I used guitar pro for notation.. I switched to sonar for a while as I thought it would be quicker. In some ways it is as I it is easier with articulations etc in sonar and also octaves (as with a lot of my virtual instruments you have to write them an octave higher in an notation program). Also, writing them in sonar has made it easier to test the sounds etc..
However, I have noticed it to be very basic. I have not been able to use certain effects such as grace notes, ghost notes, staccato, dead notes etc.. Has anybody else noticed this? When I write a dead note or staccato in guitar pro and open it in sonar, it just turns out as like a rest. Of course some patches have articulations for staccato etc, but not all.
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