Staff view changing clef

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2008/03/13 04:51:17 (permalink)

Staff view changing clef

I've opened a new MIDI track and chosen my patch as Electric Bass. However when I switch to staff view, the Treble clef comes up - can I change it so that the Bass clef comes up, making it easier to enter the notes? Lot more time-consuming using leger lines.

Well I've just opened up a piano and organ patch too, and still don't get the Bass clef up, just the treble. One handed keyboards! - any ideas?
post edited by rob.pulman - 2008/03/13 04:54:59

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    Mamabear
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 07:44:00 (permalink)
    There's a layout icon with a staff and a high g on it--click that, then click 'clef' and change it to bass. (or bass and cleff for keys)
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 11:11:19 (permalink)
    Thanks Mamabear.

    I notice you're using an M-Audio Delta soundcard also. Could I please trouble you to let me know your driver settings in CONTROL PANEL/SOUNDS AND AUDIO DEVICES, also your driver settings in Windows volume control? Sorry to be a pain again, very grateful.

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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 11:24:57 (permalink)
    I'll do that as soon after I get home (about noon CST). I've been scratching my head on this one, but I don't know enough about it. Maybe giving you my settings will work. We'll see!
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 11:29:21 (permalink)
    Hey Rob....mamabear uses piano roll view to enter notes, that's another way to do the point & click to enter a note thing.

    The easiest way by far.....is to get a midi keyboard, hook it up and use it to play the notes into the track while recording on the midi track. Then use the staff view or piano roll to go back and "fix" the wrong notes by dragging them to where they need to be. That's how I do it, and it works well.

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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 12:08:41 (permalink)
    For the record I also enter notes on the keyboard. I just edit them in piano roll view and staff view. I would never have the patience to enter a whole piano piece in prv, but I admire those that do!
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 13:49:35 (permalink)
    OK, under CONTROL PANEL/SOUNDS AND AUDIO DEVICES, > audio, everything there says Delta AP (midi music playback is delta AP midi).

    Wwindows volume control: do you mean down at the bottom right on my screen? If so, all I have there is the Delta icon now. If not, can you tell me where to look?

    I'm sorry if that doesn't help. It took me forever to get this soundcard working. It ended up that I had the wrong driver for it--I called them and it only took the guy an hour to get me set up right. One of my problems was that I hadn't disabled the anti-virus program too, but since you're getting sound in other programs, I wouldn't think that's your problem. But I'm not sure. I'm just a piano player!

    Keep asking if this doesn't work--everyone's here to help.
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 14:22:27 (permalink)
    Are you running both the delta card and your onboard sound card, the one that came with the computer. If so, disable the onboard card.
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 17:31:41 (permalink)
    I've been told the same thing...disable your factory sound card....if it's a desk top...take the factory card completely out and just run your pro sound card.

    It is possible to run two sound cards but you have to have your settings just right and hold your mouth just right while recording....or you can have major problems... It's best...if you don't need the factory sound to remove it or disable it. Laptops have other issues since the soundcards are at times part of the motherboard....harder to disable, but not not impossible.

    In my case, so far, the two cards are peacefully co-existing. (Dell laptop) I keep my fingers crossed. I've had some unexpected crashes and glitches that I have attributed to the windows OS environment. Nothing major so I don't feel like playing detective just yet.

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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 18:35:52 (permalink)
    I would never have the patience to enter a whole piano piece in prv, but I admire those that do!
    Is that patience or wasting time!


    We have definately had some rather spirited discussion around here on the virtue of having the built in card enabled. While I agree that in many cases it can be better to disable it, but i believe that is mostly due to lack of setup knowledge with this kind of software (on the part of the newbie not the one helping). Again there are situations where it is necessary, but in most cases if you know what you are doing they can get along quite nicely. There are lots of people who advocate disabling, there are others that view the built in as important to handle everyday jobs with windows, giving the window sounds somewhere to go. Once again you can diasble all windows sounds, but not everyone can use the system as a dedicated DAW. This is my third home built system for Music and I have never had a conflict with the two cards, and never disabled one. JUST MAKE SURE that each card has a separate IRQ address. Here in lies the problem, sometimes cetain systems do not have an open IRQ address, so it comes down to need. I would bet that 9 out of 10 issues are windows not the cards.

    Look at it this way, how many folks come here and say "no sound no midi, i have tried everything and everything is setup right, what is wrong?" Most of them turn out to be a very simple issue. Usually a wave profiler or something like that. I know of some folks that put two different cards in, matbe one Sound Blaster and one Delta, and use the Delta for audio out, and download a good sound font set and use the sound blaster as a synth, by attaching the S/Pdif connections. In fact there is a guy over at audiominds that posted a nice description of how to take a second computer and make it a synth box, using a SB live card.

    Don't take this as a knock on the disable crowd, there is merit for that at time. Just another view.
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/13 18:41:36 (permalink)
    Is that patience or wasting time!


    Don't even go there, since this whole process could be considered wasting time by some people! I figure there are worse ways to waste time, though, so I'm staying with it!
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/14 16:56:54 (permalink)
    Hi Mamabear thanks very much.

    For Windows Volume Control, it's START/PROGRAMS/ACCESSORIES/ENTERTAINMENT/WINDOWS VOLUME CONTROL. Then click PROPERTIES TAB.

    I've got various driver options there to select for recording, playback, voice, MIDI.

    In the bottom right, I also have the Delta icon - that brings up the new Delta control panel...I'm frightened to even look at that!

    Cheers
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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/14 17:07:06 (permalink)
    Ya gotta set that part up for sure

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    RE: Staff view changing clef 2008/03/14 18:05:17 (permalink)
    Rob P: when I go to properties I just get a choice of mixer devices which is Delta 1/2. (You shoulda heard the Delta rep laugh when I called it the Delta one-half!) ;)

    Anyway, playback is checked and it says 'show the following volume controls' (which are all checked) Wave, sw synth, CD player. I imagine that's not the info you needed, but that's all I can find.

    Don't be frightened to look a the Delta icon. I haven't got a clue what it does, but I can still make music! :) (but probably someone here helped me set it up correctly awhile ago...) Good luck. And don't give up!
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