Stand alone soft synths ...

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2011/11/23 05:31:54 (permalink)

Stand alone soft synths ...

Hello,
 
We all know that in MC4 & 5 we have the soft synt TTS-1 plugin that we can use to play back MIDI scores.
 
Are there stand alone soft synths that have good quality and can playback MIDI files?
 
Thanks in advance for the help.
 
Good luck, Salleke.
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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/23 07:15:56 (permalink)
    LOTS of them.  depends on how much money you have!  range anywhere from $20 to $4000 per package!

    the best for the money, IMO, is Kontakt.  it's not "cheap" but it sounds great and delivers great quality.  Costs about $400 new without educational discount.

    it depends on what sounds you're looking for as well.  if you want orchestra sounds, consider GPO.  ~$180, IIRC.

    what kind of sounds are you looking for and what budget are you looking at?

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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/23 08:20:47 (permalink)
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    LOTS of them.  depends on how much money you have!  range anywhere from $20 to $4000 per package!

    the best for the money, IMO, is Kontakt.  it's not "cheap" but it sounds great and delivers great quality.  Costs about $400 new without educational discount.

    it depends on what sounds you're looking for as well.  if you want orchestra sounds, consider GPO.  ~$180, IIRC.

    what kind of sounds are you looking for and what budget are you looking at?

    Kontakt

     
    Hello Beagle,
     
    Thanks for the info.
     
    For many years now I do my gigs whit a Roland modul SC 880 and  the sound is OK.
    I connect a USB to MIDI convertorbox to my laptop and send the MIDI output of the little USB to MIDI box
    to the MIDI input of the SC880.
     
    A few weeks ago the Roland SC880 had a defect and I had to end my gig whit the Microsoft GS build in
    synth from the laptop. The quality was not good as you know but I could end my gig.
     
    Because the SC880 is almost 15 (and more) years old and I have to look for another synth I was thinking
    about installing a good softsynth on my laptop, instead of buying a new hardware module from Roland or
    Korg. And as you know, these hardware synths are not cheap If we want good quality.
     
    That's why I am looking for a good software synth.
     
    My question is: are the new sotware synths as good as the hardware synths?
     
    Can I install a software synt and tell MC 4 & 5 to send all rhe MIDI files output to the softsynt, whitout
    having to open and edit all my MIDI files? As I would have to do if I would like to use the TTS-1 synth.
     
    I"m 62 years old and the music I play the most is music from the Golden Sixties. Good Rock & Roll songs like CCR, Dire Strait, Tom Jones, Roy Orbison and other ballads. And many good old USA country songs, that we love so much here in Europe. But I play more recent songs also.
     
    So I'm looking fot a general purpose softsynt with a good allround quality
     
    The pricerange I was thinking about is from 200 - 300 Euro's.
     
    Sorry for the long post and thanks again for your help.
     
    Good luck, Salleke.
     
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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/23 08:38:04 (permalink)
    Any of the ones Beagle suggested would work fine. 

    With software synths, I would imagine the biggest issues would be switching sounds quickly and stability of the whole platform. 

    If you needed to switch from piano to strings in the middle of a song, that could be a problem unless you know some sort of short cut.  For me, switching is not a quick thing.... but in  a studio it doesn't factor in.

    Stability of the platform..... you are running  in a windows based environment with soft synths.  Crashes and glitches happen at the most in-opportune moments. And nothing says in-opportune like a crash in the middle of a song on stage. 

    Personally, I would visit a music store and have a look around at the hardware synths and the keyboards they offer. I think you will find something in the price range you're looking that eliminates both of these issues and still offers good sound quality.

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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/23 09:52:17 (permalink)
    Not all synths are General MIDI-mapped. TTS-1 is GM mapped, so it seems like the MIDI files you're using are not, otherwise TTS-1 would play them correctly without having to move notes around.
    I think the chances are good that whatever new synth (hardware or software) you decide on will have to have the MIDI files edited.

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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/23 10:00:07 (permalink)
    Hi Salleke -
    yes, that route will work using standalone softsysnths and a computer for your MIDI output, BUT there could be many complications with that kind of set up.  I have considered doing that myself since I have Kontakt and several other good softsynths and have considered setting up a laptop and running my keyboard thru the laptop for softsynths.  but it scares me to try it!  Jim Roseberry does this live and has great success at it (and Jim is a very successful musician and computer builder on these forums).

    the main thing you need to consider doing something like that is that the computer needs to be good solid performer.  I'd go with win7x64 and at least 6 to 8G of RAM with a dual or quad core.  but your soundcard is going to be more important than that!  you need a good solid "recording" soundcard with solid low latency drivers.  if you don't have that then you'll never be able to perform live with softsynths.

    another consideration is that if you want to go this route, it would work better if you have software which will allow you to run the softsynths in sevearl saved configurations with flexible I/O.  Catible is a software program that loads multiple softsynths and allows flexible routing and saved configurations for performing live with softsynths.

    considering all this - if you don't have most of it already then it's going to cost you a lot more to do this type of setup than it would to buy a hardware module.  the trade off is that the softsynths like Kontakt have MUCH better sounds (espeically strings) than any of the hardware modules out there because they're mostly sampled, not mostly generated. 

    another route you might want to consider is Band In a Box.  BIAB uses "real tracks" and MIDI I/O and they sound really good.  you still have to have a softsynth for MIDI (or hardware synth) but the mix of the real tracks and MIDI make a great combo for backing tracks.  BIAB also has a "composer" feature which is like a playset type of thing that allows you to run songs in a playset.  I haven't used that feature myself, but I know a lot of folks who use BIAB run it this way.

    there are a lot of folks who use BIAB as backing for their live performances.  however, a decent computer and a good "recording" type soundcard is still essential for that type of setup.

    Personally I have been going a slightly different route.  I recently bought a guitar pedal "looper."  I create backing tracks in BIAB and in Cakewalk, then I record them onto the looper in a memory location.  with the press of a button on the foot pedal, I start the backing track and I play along with my MO6 and sing.  it's working out pretty well.  the looper cost me about $170 and I'm using BIAB real tracks and Kontakt in Sonar to create the wave file, recording that on the looper and I have a rock solid backing track system.

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    Re:Stand alone soft synths ... 2011/11/26 05:12:32 (permalink)
    Hello all,
     
    Bin away for a few days that's why I respond later.
     
    I will investigate the possibilty's you all suggested.
     
    But for the record: I use the Roland SC880 module only for playing back existing MIDI files.
    Not to play any keyboard whit it. I can only play a little guitar.
     
    I launch MC4/5, load a MIDI file, hit play and the sound module produce the sounds. That's it.
    I'm looking for a good quality synth, hard- or software to replace my Roland module.
    I would prefer a software synth for the simplicety. And to not have to carry the Roland with me all the time.
     
    Thank you all again for the info.
     
    Good luck.
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