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Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
If I have a softsynth that I want to tweak so, say a G note that is playing for 4 measures straight gradually raises in pitch (think elctronic dance music build up), is the best way to go about that to find a pitch altering vst with automation write capabilites and put it in the effects bin and automate the pitch raise? Will that actually work?
If so, any recommendations on what vst to use for this?
Ableton Live makes it really easy to change pitch with an envelope, but in sonar, I think I need to use a vst plugin and write that automation in the output track in order to get the same results.
Thank you!
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 15:42:48
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Is this audio or midi?
For midi I'd use the pitch bend Wheel.
For Audio- V-Vocal, or CW Pitch Shifter + automation.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 15:46:02
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Whats wrong with pitch bend?
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 15:51:43
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And there is Portamento to consider too...
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 16:13:29
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Pitch bend and portamento isnt going to be as good to work with. It is easier to work with an envelope on the output track like ableton.
I can make a perfect envelope slow really easy instead of messing with all the pitch bend nodes or messing with portamento.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 16:30:21
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Lanceindastudio
Pitch bend and portamento isnt going to be as good to work with. It is easier to work with an envelope on the output track like ableton.
I can make a perfect envelope slow really easy instead of messing with all the pitch bend nodes or messing with portamento.
Lance
I'm a little confused. Can you not assign an automation lane to pitch wheel / synth pitch control and draw in an envelope - in this case a line slowly rising? I haven't done that with a pitch wheel, but I have done it using pitch control in sample cell. I think you will have more joy with changing the master oscillator of the sound generator than trying to apply a pitch change algorithm to the output Cheers Grif
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 18:46:10
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I will try with a midi envelope and see how it goes.
Thanx- Lance
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/14 19:07:32
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Lanceindastudio
...say a G note that is playing for 4 measures straight gradually raises in pitch...
If so, any recommendations on what vst to use for this?
Dimension Pro and Rapture (and maybe Rapture LE too) have pitch envelopes.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 03:49:18
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Many of the patches you come across in Dim Pro/Rapture etc will have their pitch bend range defaulting to 2 semitones. If you want more than this you'll have to edit the patch.
Just something to be aware of.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 13:35:58
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yeah I know, which is a pain.
In Ableton, You can put an envelope on the track and just pitch bend away, no VST settings to mess with etc., which led me to believe that it was altering the audio, not the midi data.
It works awesome in Ableton, but I like to work in Sonar.
That is why my clever little mind though, hmm, a VST plugin pitch bender in the audio output track for a synth and automate the pitch alterations maybe.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 13:48:24
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Just to throw this tip in as well...
The pitch range can also be changed for many/most synths (softsynths and hardware) that respond to MIDI controller messages. This way you can extend beyond the default of +/-2 tones. I used to have to set this to +/- 12 semitones from my guitar synth when accessing sounds from other modules to have the synth sounds match the bends on my guitar strings.
I'm guessing that most synths have a configuration that'll let you set the bend range directly, but if you are interested in knowing what the MIDI events are I can look it up for you from an old project.
You may already know this but just thought Id mention it in case it helps. Being able to set the bend range along with pitch wheel events you should be able to accomplish your goal, but maybe not as easily or in the manner that you'd like to.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 13:59:35
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yeah I know this.
Just dont want to have to go in and find the pitch range in every synth I wnat to do drastic or smooth gradually pitch changes to. But, if this is the only feasible way, so shall it be.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 18:07:13
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Many of the patches you come across in Dim Pro/Rapture etc will have their pitch bend range defaulting to 2 semitones. If you want more than this you'll have to edit the patch.
But if you use the Pitch Envelope, the range is 2 octaves for Dimension Pro and 8 octaves for Rapture. I don't know about Rapture LE though.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/15 18:35:01
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Lanceindastudio
yeah I know this.
Just dont want to have to go in and find the pitch range in every synth I wnat to do drastic or smooth gradually pitch changes to. But, if this is the only feasible way, so shall it be.
Lance
You might be able to avoid going into the settings of each synth by sending MIDI RPN messages to the respective channel(s) in order to set the bend range. Here's an image from one of my old projects that was based around MIDI files I worked on in early versions of Cakewalk Pro Audio, which allowed me to set the bend range across all internal softsynths and external hardware synths. I haven't done this recently, but back when I used to do this a lot it worked flawlessly. As I recall you need to send, at the beginning of the song (on any track), an RPN of "Pitch Bend Sensitivity" with a value of 128 * x (where x represents the number of semi-tones you want the bend range to have).  Would that help at all?
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/16 16:24:20
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I could try that.
Thanks,
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/16 16:32:01
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/28 00:39:21
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Thank you bladetragic. You had the solution. Works great!
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/01/28 01:34:53
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Posts 2 and 3 had the same answer.
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Re:Steadily, gradually raise pitch - EDM
2013/02/06 16:02:07
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Yeah I know, but I just like that Quik Quak VST. Thanx for the help to all of you, even... cough*... you John 
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