Steepening hi/low pass slope and/or creating steep bandpass with Sonitus EQ?

Ah... and you updated. I've still neglected to add those Melda plugs to my suite but I'm hell bent on learning what I have already.
 
However it's probably time. This slope thing is exposing a limitation I was not aware of but better I learn how to cope with it.
 
Cheers.
 

scook
Yes, use more than one EQ node at the desired frequency. This will help avoid the resonance bump and steepen the slope. MEqualizer is a lot more flexible though and the price is right.

Yeah, and I know I could use some of the other stuff I've got around but I am hurting myself to make myself stronger here.
 
I'm fascinated by the Sonitus suite too. In the past ten minutes they have already proven themselves quite capabable and desirable. I will figure them out.
 
Thanks, dood.

Okay... I'm posting this for anyone who searches this topic (and for my own selfish purposes because I am going to want to reference this in the future).
 
Based on the helpful posts by scook and Bristol Jonesey I have figured out something VERY cool and fool proof to make this happen (and a generally cool way to manipulate Sonitus EQ)
 
For low/hi/band pass try the following (this creates a what I was asking for but reveals something very cool about Sonitus EQ).
 
1) In the fields under the graph set Bands 1, 2 and 3 to "Hiighpass" (using the dropdown). Set notes 4, 5 and 6 to "Lowpass".
 
2) In the "Freq" box for Bands 1, 2 and 3 set them all to the same number (double click to type in a value or copy paste a value from one box to anther). For each field be sure to press Enter (or the new value will not be accepted and no changes will occur).
 
3) Repeat this procedure in the "Q" fields using appropriate values for 1, 2 and 3 (just copy/paste one of the values into the the other two boxes pressing Enter each time just to make them equal values).
 
4) Using a different value (a higher value because this will be your lowpass filter) repeat the same procedure for Bands 4, 5 and 6 (Freq and Q).
 
Now the graph should look like what Bristol Jonesey posted (Nodes 1, 2 and 3 will be on top of each other and Nodes 4, 5 and 6 will be on top of each other creating a "bandpass" on the graph).
 
THIS is the thing I figured out...
 
In the graph section Left Click and drag around one set of the "stacked" nodes. So start with Nodes 1, 2 and three. This is like a "lasso" select. Now all three of those nodes are selected and you can drag all three around the graph. Dragging them left and right will move the high pass throughout he frequency range without screwing up the slope/curve. Of course the same can be done with the other three stacked nodes.
 
It seems the max Q you can set for a set of nodes before a resonance curve happens is 1.4 (edit: after some tests for the low pass the max seems to be 1.6 as shown in the images scook and Jonesey posted... you can go higher but as you bring the Freq down on the lowpass you eventually start getting a curve... just play with it, it's cool). Also screwing with the Q's (mixing and matching) results in different slopes as well as switching out the filter type for each band.
 
Anyway... I'm sure Sonitus EQ masters have a ton of other tricks but just figuring out that you can lasso select those stacked nodes (and they don't even have to be stacked) led to some awesome and useful happiness with this plug.
 
As I said... just posting for my own reference and maybe others exploring the intertubes will discover the losso joy I just have.
 
Thanks doods....

Just to add to that I was able to map out a low and hi pass control to an FX Chain module by mapping Freqs 1, 2 and 3 to one knob and Freqs 4, 5 and 6 to a second knob on the FX Chain module. I now have an adjustable bandpass filter as a PC module which I can now follow up with whatever effect I want which for this experiment is an amp sim... well it will probably be a compressor then an amp sim.
 
So ya... I can cut out all the low and high shiz I don't want, compress/limit the good stuff to hit the sim (so the sim works more efficiently with less noise) and I still have 4 more knobs to screw with (which I can use for drive in the sim and/or another instance of Sonitus EQ) all with out even touching anything else in the PC. I can also put this at the top of the PC chain so it's like an amp being mic'd, sent through some external processing and then into a nice (virtual) board.
 
Now THAT is freaking cool.
 
This is why I'm here and always harassing you guys. lulz
 
Again... many thanks.

scook
Could build an FX Chain for it like this HP-LP Filter.fxc

while adjusting the output gain in the above video it appeared that the frequency response reset

A little bit of resonance along with the HP and LP gives a bandpass with mind-bogglingly steep skirts you could never get with a parametric stage bandpass. Oh, and don't forget you can right-click on the band number to copy it to other bands. Sonitus stuff is great.
 

 
 
 
 

I prefer the Sonitus UIs but would rather use VST2/3 versions of the plug-ins. Unfortunately 64bit VSTs were never created.

Anderton
A little bit of resonance along with the HP and LP gives a bandpass with mind-bogglingly steep skirts you could never get with a parametric stage bandpass. Oh, and don't forget you can right-click on the band number to copy it to other bands. Sonitus stuff is great.
 

 
You can get it even steeper than that if you substitute lo/hi shelf instead of lo/hi pass and set Q to its max value, with all 6 resonance points coinsiding.

Keni
I like and use the sonitus plugins too...

But i'm wondering why you didnt simply use th quad?

Short story is (ZOMG... short story from Beeps, lulz!11eleventy) that I'm bundling it into an FX bin with GR5. It's a DI guitar signal (for this purpose) so I'm yanking out all the uneeded low and high freqs with the Sonitus, then letting it hit an instance of Sonitus Compressor (which I just gave myself a refresher course on this morning) to smooth out the dry signal and THEN it hits the high gain amp sim.
 
That FX Chain goes at the start of the PC and frees up the PC Quad Curve (and everything else) for any extra sweetening/rejection/etc.
 
It's just a test really but one I had planned for a while (and based on previous tests where I used the QC first and the sim in the FX Bin). So far it seems to be working well and simplified a bunch of stuff.
 
BTW... ultra +1 on your tip in the other thread about creating a PC Preset to apply effects across multiple tracks using QuickGroups. This is kind of an extension of that train of though. I wanted my sims consistent, easily loaded and easily manipulated. By using the sim in an FX Chain PC Module I can load it instantly across many tracks at once. If I do this on TOO many tracks it chokes the system like a dirty chicken for a few moments but all and all it's much quicker AND I get much more control over the chain of effects (and get to add my wacky experiments like this Sonitus EQ thingamabobber).
 
aaaand that wasn't short at all. lol
 
Anyhoo... seems to be working as I intended. This is particularly encouraging because I made a rather complex plan (to me), saw it through and it produced the intended results. Much better than just smacking things around willy nilly hoping something happens to make the loud things sound gooderer which was more or less my mixing style only a short while ago.
 
Thanks (everyone).

Keni
...i'm wondering why you didnt simply use th quad?

 
The Quad has only one of each of hp, lp, hi-shelf and lo-shelf, wheareas Sonitus has potentially 6 of the same type of EQ filter and therefore allows some extreme (and crazy) stacking possibilities.