deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
I have a clip in the Browser that plays with clear stereo separation. However, when I drop it into a new audio track the separation is reduced by about 60%. The audio track is stereo and both the browser and the track are routed out to the same device. I have noticed this with all of my projects. Any ideas?
|
deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:10:16
(permalink)
Bump... This is a problem. It ends up in my mixdowns with the reduced stereo as well. Any thoughts?
|
EtherealEntity
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 338
- Joined: 2008/11/11 07:33:03
- Location: Essex, U.K
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:12:41
(permalink)
Do you mean to say if you imported audio which was silent on the left with a click on the right, and then exported it from Sonar and played it back with your right speaker turned off, you would still be hearing it?
|
deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:13:34
(permalink)
Ooo... Maybe. That's a great experiment. I'll try it and post my results.
|
deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:28:36
(permalink)
Ok, so I dropped a stereo track into Audacity, panned it all hard left.
Once I mixed down the Audacity track to WAV and dropped it into Sonar (drag-and-drop directly from my desktop) it sounded perfect: Right was mute and Left was as I expected with no bleed.
However, if I dropped the file into a track from Sonar's Browser, the left side of the track was about 60% of it's original value. The right side still remained mute.
This is getting weirder and weirder...
|
EtherealEntity
Max Output Level: -84 dBFS
- Total Posts : 338
- Joined: 2008/11/11 07:33:03
- Location: Essex, U.K
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:34:55
(permalink)
That is certainly very bizarre. Don't have time to check it out right now but at least we know to stay away from the browser!!
|
stevec
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 11546
- Joined: 2003/11/04 15:05:54
- Location: Parkesburg, PA
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 13:36:23
(permalink)
What's the waveform look like after you drag it in from the Browser? And do you get the same results when dragging it from the Browser into free space, allowing SONAR to generate a new track?
SteveC https://soundcloud.com/steve-cocchi http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=39163 SONAR Platinum x64, Intel Q9300 (2.5Ghz), Asus P5N-D, Win7 x64 SP1, 8GB RAM, 1TB internal + ESATA + USB Backup HDDs, ATI Radeon HD5450 1GB RAM + dual ViewSonic VA2431wm Monitors; Focusrite 18i6 (ASIO); Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries
|
bvideo
Max Output Level: -58 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1707
- Joined: 2006/09/02 22:20:02
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 18:04:08
(permalink)
When you play a clip in the browser, it goes through a bus designated as the audio preview bus. When you drag it to a new track, the track is routed to your "default" bus. Those two buses might have different level (input gain & volume) settings. Dragging into any existing track also is subject to that track's levels.
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 18:11:42
(permalink)
null test on the browser drag and the import?
|
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 86000
- Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
- Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 18:12:57
(permalink)
bvideo
When you play a clip in the browser, it goes through a bus designated as the audio preview bus. When you drag it to a new track, the track is routed to your "default" bus. Those two buses might have different level (input gain & volume) settings. Dragging into any existing track also is subject to that track's levels.
+0.9, this sounds pretty plausible.
|
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
Administrator
- Total Posts : 519
- Joined: 2007/07/11 16:44:27
- Location: Boston, MA
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 18:18:53
(permalink)
This is a long shot... But if any track other than the one you're dragging to is Dim Soloed, you'd see what you're seeing. Does your Mix Module look like this?:  If Not: If you do it in a fresh project (from the Normal Template), do you see the same thing, still?
Bill Jackson Product Manager Cakewalk
|
dan le
Max Output Level: -85 dBFS
- Total Posts : 252
- Joined: 2004/05/02 15:26:12
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 19:53:31
(permalink)
Hi:
Didn't Beepster have this issue a few days ago. In X2 the last bus is in Mono, and you have to make it Stereo, in the Console View????
dan le
|
Bill Jackson [Cakewalk]
Administrator
- Total Posts : 519
- Joined: 2007/07/11 16:44:27
- Location: Boston, MA
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 22:49:58
(permalink)
dan le
Hi:
Didn't Beepster have this issue a few days ago. In X2 the last bus is in Mono, and you have to make it Stereo, in the Console View????
dan le
Beepster's issue was different. He had accidentally set his master bus interleave to mono. That would result in the 2 sides summing and more perceived loudness. Definitely not what's happening here.
Bill Jackson Product Manager Cakewalk
|
Beepster
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
- Total Posts : 18001
- Joined: 2012/05/11 19:11:24
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 23:22:06
(permalink)
Yup. I found far more annoying things to get befuddled by today. Sorted out now though... I think.
|
Thatsastrat
Max Output Level: -65 dBFS
- Total Posts : 1267
- Joined: 2004/05/09 02:20:19
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/09/26 23:36:01
(permalink)
Well another long shot here, but what are your pan laws set for in Sonar?
Sonar Platimum, Win10 32bit, Quad Q6600,4G DDR2 Ram, BCF2000, Lexicon Lambda interface,Tascam US 1800, WD 500 GB HD, M-Audio AV40 Monitors, Line 6 DI Gold, Guitar Rig 5 Pro, hand full of guitars, Kawia PH50 Keyboard,Digitech GNX3 http://www.soundclick.com/thatsastrat/%3C/a%3E http://www.myspace.com/thatsastrat/music
|
deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/12/09 19:00:35
(permalink)
|
deved.com
Max Output Level: -89 dBFS
- Total Posts : 75
- Joined: 2008/10/11 03:44:06
- Status: offline
Re:Stereo Tracks Not Stereo?
2012/12/10 14:14:03
(permalink)
Re-read the replies... going to do some more testing. This is happening again on a new project so I'm pretty desperate to get it fixed. I'll keep you posted.
|