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Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
Stumbled onto this through checking out "Father Ted" (due to sharke's references to it... quality stuff too). Definitely tricky getting a hang of the Glaswegian accent and slang at first but the regional cusses and insults definitely make it that much funnier.
Just wondering what other British/Scottish/Irish "dark-ish" comedies like this are kicking around.
Note that I've been through "Peepshow" and "15 Stories High" (both great IMO) and of course the classics that us North Americans think make us "cool and interesting" for having watched like Blackadder and Fawlty Towers.
Since a lot of the GB shows don't really get filtered over to us North Americans it's hard to really separate the real comic gems from the "family friendly" or annoyingly lame formulaic garbage.
Sooo... yeah, even if they're hyper regional and the accents might rip the average North American's eardrums to shreds what comedies would you recommend?
BTW... every episode of Still Game is up on youtube on various channels for those curious about WTF I'm talking about.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 16:54:12
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Excellent, James. Was hoping you'd pop in because you always seemed to have/get that biting northern wit. I've seen Rab C on some of the lists and was curious about it but the lists of such shows are looong. Ya'll put out a LOT of comedy and it seems to run the gamut from really cheesy bad to insanely hilarious "they actually put THAT on TV?!" type stuff. Haven't heard of the others but I do love me a good mockumentary and actually a big draw of Brit shows for me is the decor/architecture/landscapes. Canada has a bad habit of tearing down anything interesting and old (the whole country is turning into a boring, painted over strip mall... I swear, it's gross). Actually I watched "Doc Martin" recently which was definitely not "gritty" funny but still had some chuckles but the visuals of that town were just great. Beautiful. Cheers.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 17:40:26
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Rab C Nesbitt is an absolute masterpiece of comedy. Absolutely no toning down of the Glaswegian accent and it's all the funnier for it. Rab and his wife Mary are pure gold. Just a drunk Rab saying "Mary doll" is enough for me. I watched every episode on YouTube about a year ago and was gutted when I got to the end. Definitely not your traditional sitcom humor and quite philosophical and poignant at times. This is the kind of labor of love comedy that could never be written by a team of writers a la most of the network crap that's on. Might take a couple of episodes for your ears to "focus" on that accent though.... The guy who plays Rab, Gregor Fisher, debuted Rab in the sketch show "Naked Video" which is also well worth a watch. There was another great Scottish sketch show in the early 90's called "Absolutely" which was cult stoner watching. And two of the guys from that had their own short lived but hilariously whacky comedy called "Mr. Don and Mr. George," again cult early 90's stoner TV. All of these shows make me extremely nostalgic for my youth, I can't believe the first series of Rab C Nesbitt was 26 years ago :(
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 17:56:39
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On the pilot ep of Rab now. Definitely a thicker accent but most of it's getting through.
The thing is, and this is a little sad (and maybe wrong) to say but his speech and mannerisms are kind of reminding me of Shane McGowan from some of the interviews/docs about ten years ago when he was still full tilt with the hard liquor.
Yeah... I'm gonna go with sad. Poor Shane. That was rough to watch. He was still brilliant through the fog though.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 18:08:07
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I'll give a Scottish comedy a go if they provide English subtitles.
Speaking of comedy from Great Britain that Americans might have missed, one of my all-time favorites is a sitcom called "The IT Crowd". I've watched the entire series three times through, and laughed just as hard each time. A must for anyone who's ever worked in IT, or wondered what "IT" stands for.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 18:16:51
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I'll give a Scottish comedy a go if they provide English subtitles.
Speaking of comedy from Great Britain that Americans might have missed, one of my all-time favorites is a sitcom called "The IT Crowd". I've watched the entire series three times through, and laughed just as hard each time. A must for anyone who's ever worked in IT, or wondered what "IT" stands for.
Funnily enough some of the Still Game eps on youtube actually have subtitles. Those versions bothered me though because it kind of felt like cheating. lol One thing it makes me realize though is some of the thicker Canadian regional "accents" are heavily influenced by Scotland. Particularly the east coasters.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 18:23:33
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It's quite amazing to follow the lines of influence from ye olde Great Britain across the world. I've always been fascinated by the similarities between my accent, Geordie, and the Jamaican accent. There has to be a connection there. I definitely hear some Scottish in Canadian. Did you also know that Gospel music originated in Scotland?
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 18:51:16
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It's quite amazing to follow the lines of influence from ye olde Great Britain across the world. I've always been fascinated by the similarities between my accent, Geordie, and the Jamaican accent. There has to be a connection there. I definitely hear some Scottish in Canadian. Did you also know that Gospel music originated in Scotland?
I watched a documentary series a while back about that very subject (I think it was a BBC production too) that spanned the history of the English language from it's origins and then to various places it landed around the world. How it came to be, how it spread, how it changed based on regions and the passage of time, etc. Very interesting. Lots of etymology too which I've always been very fascinated by. I guess the Welsh are the ones who speak the closest to the original English. Sadly they didn't (or didnae... lol) cover Canada much but they did go into the crossovers that happened in the Caribbean and in America from the slave trade which was particularly interesting (patois and southern US) as well as how a lot of the superfluous U's and E's got dropped from spellings during early America (as well as a buttload of new words being created to describe things, phenomena and activities never seen before in Europe). Yeah, cool stuff... if you're into that type of thing. Otherwise I guess it's probably boring as all heck. I liked it though. It's on the youtubes somewhere.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 18:59:28
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Worth checking out a few episodes of Bob Servant - Independent:
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/19 20:39:02
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Thanks, Steve I'll check it out (and will be coming back this thread for any more suggestions).
Just watched the proper first ep of Rab (the pilot was that Christmas one "Seasonal Greetings"... the first ep is "Work"). Definitely good stuff.
Also, despite the thicker accent, I'm not having a hard time with it at all now. Very very similar to the east coast Canuck accent (specifically Newfoundlander) which I guess explains why I didn't have much of a hard time understanding folks when I visited Glasgow/Edinburgh. It's just a little harsher and of course the patter is a bit different.
Really the only place on the island where I simply could not understand a word was in Newcastle. It was mildly terrifying actually because I wasn't sure if folks were being friendly or about to rip my lungs out. Turns out they were being friendly... or at least they warmed up to me so my lungs remained in place. lol
I did not pass through Wales though. I think I would have a hard time with that dialect... but that's supposedly almost an entirely different language.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 02:05:02
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I did not pass through Wales though. I think I would have a hard time with that dialect... but that's supposedly almost an entirely different language.
Yes, Wales has it's own language. My family on my mother's side are Welsh (mum's name is Myfanwy). Tidbit - no letter 'v' in the Welsh language.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 02:47:03
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Really the only place on the island where I simply could not understand a word was in Newcastle. It was mildly terrifying actually because I wasn't sure if folks were being friendly or about to rip my lungs out. Turns out they were being friendly... or at least they warmed up to me so my lungs remained in place. lol
When I worked on Nantucket for a year I lived in a house rented by my boss for his workers (we were all painters). I shared the house with 3 Brazilian guys. It transpired that there was some bad feeling and friction between me and them, at least in their eyes - I was oblivious to it. Eventually my boss took me to one side and said look, it's not what you say to them, it's the way you say it. They're misinterpreting your Geordie accent and they think you're talking down to them in an aggressive manner. So apparently when I was, to my ears, politely (even jokingly) informing one of them that perhaps it was his turn to clean the kitchen, he heard a threatening tone in my voice as if I saw myself as his superior. It was all news to me, I always thought people from Newcastle were perceived as being super affable, lol.... I think the Geordie accent can be one of the most unintelligible in Britain when spoken in its thickest form. I remember taking the last bus home on a Friday night in Newcastle and listening to the drunken Geordie conversations around me, and even though I grew up there and speak the lingo fluently, if I "defocused" my ears a little I could hear it as a completely foreign language.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 04:59:15
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☄ Helpfulby sharke 2016/02/20 12:04:52
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I shared the house with 3 Brazilian guys.
Wow! That's a lot of guys! 
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2016/02/20 08:19:00
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I think the Geordie accent can be one of the most unintelligible in Britain when spoken in its thickest form.
Let's see what the good chaps here make of Oz..  Another great series btw Beeps..'Auf Weidersehen Pet', about a motley crew of British workmen in Germany (and elsewhere)
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 10:29:54
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Hi,
There are a lot of things worth watching ... one I really enjoyed was "Cracker" way back when with Robbie Coltrane ... it was wonderful. Later, the original "House of Cards" with Ian Richardson was stupendous, and I'm saddened that folks that saw the American version thought it was good, and it wasn't. One fun one, was "Red Dwarf", whose 2 leads ended up in that series on the Stargate's towards the end. They were fun in there, but in the Stargate show, the chemistry did not click for me.
Haven't watched a whole lot recently. Got me the Ken Russell DVD set which had a bunch of his BBC specials and some of them are great ... the one on Rousseau, Debussy, Elgar, Isadora Duncan and then DG Rossetti, are excellent to watch ... and informative in many ways. By the time he did Rossetti, however, he was name dropping so fast that you and I get thrown at the gate and miss the "intellectual" joke!
Ken Russell's biographies have always been very good, and the only one I do not care for is Lizst. The film "Impromptu" is way better, but it is about George Sand a bit more, though!
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 11:58:58
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I think the Geordie accent can be one of the most unintelligible in Britain when spoken in its thickest form.
Let's see what the good chaps here make of Oz..
Another great series btw Beeps..'Auf Weidersehen Pet', about a motley crew of British workmen in Germany (and elsewhere)
This was hands down the best TV show of the 80's. I watched it as a kid when it was first on TV around 1983 or so. I even had the book, and bought the theme tune on vinyl. This was a landmark show for Geordies because it was pretty much the first time the Geordie accent had been properly portrayed on TV without being watered down. Previous to that we had things like The Likely Lads, which, while being an absolute TV comedy classic, got the accents completely wrong. The producers of Auf Weidersehen Pet gave Jimmy Nail, Kevin Whately and Tim Healy absolute free reign to talk as they normally would without toning it down at all. There's one scene where Dennis stops Oz (the guy in that video) on the building site and says can I have a word, and Oz says what can only be described as "whaddayawantamawayowafo'abevvy" which sounds absolutely unintelligible unless you're a Geordie and can translate it into "What do you want, I'm on my way to the pub." Absolutely fantastic show and all on YouTube, I watched it all again a few years ago. Of course it didn't just feature Geordies, there were also great performances from Pat Roach (Bomber), the late Gary Holton (Wayne) and one of my all time favorite actors Timothy Spall as the lovable Brummie radish Barry. Might start watching it all again, it's so good.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 12:08:59
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I think the Geordie accent can be one of the most unintelligible in Britain when spoken in its thickest form.
Let's see what the good chaps here make of Oz..
Another great series btw Beeps..'Auf Weidersehen Pet', about a motley crew of British workmen in Germany (and elsewhere)
This was hands down the best TV show of the 80's. I watched it as a kid when it was first on TV around 1983 or so. I even had the book, and bought the theme tune on vinyl. This was a landmark show for Geordies because it was pretty much the first time the Geordie accent had been properly portrayed on TV without being watered down. Previous to that we had things like The Likely Lads, which, while being an absolute TV comedy classic, got the accents completely wrong. The producers of Auf Weidersehen Pet gave Jimmy Nail, Kevin Whately and Tim Healy absolute free reign to talk as they normally would without toning it down at all. There's one scene where Dennis stops Oz (the guy in that video) on the building site and says can I have a word, and Oz says what can only be described as "whaddayawantamawayowafo'abevvy" which sounds absolutely unintelligible unless you're a Geordie and can translate it into "What do you want, I'm on my way to the pub."
Absolutely fantastic show and all on YouTube, I watched it all again a few years ago. Of course it didn't just feature Geordies, there were also great performances from Pat Roach (Bomber), the late Gary Holton (Wayne) and one of my all time favorite actors Timothy Spall as the lovable Brummie radish Barry. Might start watching it all again, it's so good.
Also featured a very young Ray Winstone in one episode, and the late Michael Elphick as the complete psycho 'McGowan'  It's in my top 3 TV shows ever, I loved it. What I like about watching it now is that they take time to tell a story in a linear fashion, it's quite slow moving (I think the first two series were 13 episodes of 50 minutes each?), and with none of the leaping back and forth in time and manic editing that more modern shows seem to have.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 13:26:09
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Yeah Ray Winstone looks so damn young in it...great actor.
It was definitely raw TV from another era. No pretense, no flash, no tedious attempts at being artistic or trippy, no stupid flashbacks or dream sequences or camera trickery or pointless special effects, just good old fashioned gritty working class drama. It had some great peripheral characters too. Like the woman in season 2 who played Dennis's sister. She was utterly convincing as a homely Geordie housewife, a real gem. And of course Oz's ex wife Marjorie, played by the wonderful Su Elliot.
Fun story: I was once approached in Newcastle by a girl with a tray of sausage roll samples from Greggs. As I politely declined it dawned on me that she was the actress who played Ally Frasier's girlfriend Vicky in season 2. Of course my unshakable Geordie tact compelled me to cry out: "Eeeeh! Didn't you used to be on the telly!"
She literally turned and ran away. Poor girl.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 13:26:22
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I actually did try out some Auf *mumble* Pet again after seeing sharke and a few others rave on it. It definitely had promise but fershure extremely hard to understand. I might give it another go though after some of the other suggestions made here. My ears might be a little more tuned in and able cut through the accents.
A lot of the times it's the expressions that are the real barrier. I've realized that some of the stuff I thought was just getting obscured by accents are actually slang, sayings and expressions I'd never heard before... which of course are dripping with the accents too confusing things further.
Definitely loving the word "manky" though. Hopefully that's not considered a TOS violating swear but it's a great way to describe something/someone filthy. lol
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 13:28:53
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Another fun fact: I'm friends with Kevin Whately's (Neville) niece. Despite being known more for his Inspector Morse role, in which he played a southerner, he really is from the North East (Hexham).
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2016/02/20 13:34:06
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I actually did try out some Auf *mumble* Pet again after seeing sharke and a few others rave on it. It definitely had promise but fershure extremely hard to understand. I might give it another go though after some of the other suggestions made here. My ears might be a little more tuned in and able cut through the accents.
A lot of the times it's the expressions that are the real barrier. I've realized that some of the stuff I thought was just getting obscured by accents are actually slang, sayings and expressions I'd never heard before... which of course are dripping with the accents too confusing things further.
Definitely loving the word "manky" though. Hopefully that's not considered a TOS violating swear but it's a great way to describe something/someone filthy. lol
Yeah the expressions are almost like a different language in themselves. In fact many of them are, since a lot of Geordie is influenced by Norwegian. I had a Norwegian friend in Newcastle who said that he couldn't understand a word when he first moved to London, but upon moving "oop North" to Newcastle he felt more at home with the lingo. Some of it is vaguely related to its English translation though, so as long as you de-focus in the right way you'll get the gist. For instance the phrase "gan h'yem" which means "go home." And "aalowa" for "all over." Manky is definitely just everyday slang and not a swear word. I remember primary school teachers using it to describe us after we'd gotten dirty playing football during lunch break.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 13:37:12
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Fun story: I was once approached in Newcastle by a girl with a tray of sausage roll samples from Greggs. As I politely declined it dawned on me that she was the actress who played Ally Frasier's girlfriend Vicky in season 2. Of course my unshakable Geordie tact compelled me to cry out: "Eeeeh! Didn't you used to be on the telly!"
She literally turned and ran away. Poor girl.
She was gorgeous! Ah yes, Ally Fraser - ''Nobody chins Big Baz!''
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2016/02/20 13:39:45
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Fun story: I was once approached in Newcastle by a girl with a tray of sausage roll samples from Greggs. As I politely declined it dawned on me that she was the actress who played Ally Frasier's girlfriend Vicky in season 2. Of course my unshakable Geordie tact compelled me to cry out: "Eeeeh! Didn't you used to be on the telly!"
She literally turned and ran away. Poor girl.
She was gorgeous!
Ah yes, Ally Fraser - ''Nobody chins Big Baz!''
What about Nevile's wife Brenda in that swim suit....phwoar! You don't get many of those to the pound! EDIT: Misspelled "phwoar"
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
2016/02/20 14:25:09
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I really should dig up that doc series about the English language. The influence of the Viking invasions and later settlement gets covered quite well. I'm up to some crazy Beepo shenanigans right now but I'll get on that. Probably not as interesting to you guys because it was likely all taught in school over there in history class but definitely fascinating for a westerner.
Now here's something...
I don't know what to really think of "Not Going Out". I got through the first season and really enjoyed the main character dude but it seemed to not be able to decide what it was. Gritty or lamo pop culture. I kind of meandered off on the second season because it seemed to be relying on catch phrases and plainly obvious slapstick but it seems like it MIGHT have found it's feet if I stuck it out.
I also gave a poke at the first ep of Men Behaving Badly but that again seemed like it might be a let down. Maybe it got better.
Red Dwarf of course was great. I watched all that a few years back and loved it.
Rab C is turning out excellent though. Dood's punk as frack.
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2016/02/20 14:33:16
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I really should dig up that doc series about the English language. The influence of the Viking invasions and later settlement gets covered quite well. I'm up to some crazy Beepo shenanigans right now but I'll get on that. Probably not as interesting to you guys because it was likely all taught in school over there in history class but definitely fascinating for a westerner.
Now here's something...
I don't know what to really think of "Not Going Out". I got through the first season and really enjoyed the main character dude but it seemed to not be able to decide what it was. Gritty or lamo pop culture. I kind of meandered off on the second season because it seemed to be relying on catch phrases and plainly obvious slapstick but it seems like it MIGHT have found it's feet if I stuck it out.
I also gave a poke at the first ep of Men Behaving Badly but that again seemed like it might be a let down. Maybe it got better.
Red Dwarf of course was great. I watched all that a few years back and loved it.
Rab C is turning out excellent though. Dood's punk as frack.
Cheers.
The first series of 'Men Behaving Badly' was pretty poor, it found it's feet when Harry Enfield bailed and Neil Morrissey took over, the pairing of him and Martin Clunes was excellent.. Good stuff from then on, but very much 'of it's time' - '90's 'lad culture'. I quite liked 'Not Going Out' when Tim Vine was in it, but then I do like a good 'pun'.
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Re: Still Game: Hidden Scottish comedy gem. Moar liek this pleeze. :-)
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You must have seen Blackadder Beep?
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Men Behaving Badly with Enfield was definitely lame-o. It was much better season 2 onwards although still had the odd duff episode. One of those hit and miss shows which was worth watching for its good moments.
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It's also worth pointing out that lots of shows had weaker first seasons. It takes a while for the writers and actors to find their sweet spots. The first season of Blackadder wasn't so good because Atkinson portrayed him as this simpering idiot as opposed to the philandering swine he became season 2 onwards. The first season of Father Ted was definitely slower than 2 and 3. It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia didn't really pick up until season 2 (when Danny De Vito joined the cast, basically).
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For some reason I love the fact that Netflix has loaded up on the Scottish humour. It reminds me of my grand dad. He came over from Scotland at age 15 and never lost his thick accent. He worked 50 years in the Hamilton steel mills and was a real grouch who told me on more than one occasion that if I played in his rode bushes he'd give me a good kick in the fanny. At the time I had no idea what a fanny was. Neither did my father, and he picked up the habit of threatening my poor fanny for misbehaviour. Thanks to Netflix and the BBC I now know.
Somewhere between Victor McDade and Rab Nesbitt my grand dad was. I hope to get over there one day and explore my roots but the state of the world and the economy puts that in doubt. Until then I'll keep watching the telly and laughing my butt off. Craig Lang and Govan will have to do for now.
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