Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer

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2013/05/24 12:26:18 (permalink)

Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer

Hoping you guys can help me here. Setting up the newest version of Superior Drummer in X2 to be triggered with my Yamaha DTX900 E-drum set. Never had latency with just the Yamaha's own drum module. I tried bumping up the Prepare using millisecond buffer parameter from 250 to 500. It worked until the next time I hit record. The latency would then return. It turns out that I can actually adjust the "Prepare using..." parameter to any value and it will behave as I stated above. It's the act of changing the value, not the value itself that seems to "reset" the latency issue. But then it returns as soon as I try to record. Toggling the audio echo on/off doesn't seem to matter. Thanks again for your help.
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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 12:45:34 (permalink)
    This http://forum.cakewalk.com/fb.ashx?m=2834198 seemed like a pretty complete response. Latency is a function of your audio interface settings and the effects in the project. To reduce latency, you need to reconfigure your audio interface and disable effects.
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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 13:02:34 (permalink)
    Is the midi data recorded in time or is the monitored audio off? If the latter, try reducing audio buffer size or if not using asio driver, use it if possible.

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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 14:20:09 (permalink)
    S Effren


    Hoping you guys can help me here. Setting up the newest version of Superior Drummer in X2 to be triggered with my Yamaha DTX900 E-drum set. Never had latency with just the Yamaha's own drum module. I tried bumping up the Prepare using millisecond buffer parameter from 250 to 500. It worked until the next time I hit record. The latency would then return. It turns out that I can actually adjust the "Prepare using..." parameter to any value and it will behave as I stated above. It's the act of changing the value, not the value itself that seems to "reset" the latency issue. But then it returns as soon as I try to record. Toggling the audio echo on/off doesn't seem to matter. Thanks again for your help.
    Can you please post back with:


    Audio interface settings for Sample Rate and ASIO Buffer Size (note, some interfaces use a different term for the buffer size - such as number of samples - please provide whichever yours uses)


    Sample rate that is set in Sonar, as well as recording bit-depth, Driver Mode, and the various latency values reported (the section of latency values that also has the total round-trip latency)


    In addition to the above, try hitting the 'E' key on your computer keyboard to bypass all effects, then try to record something again and post back on whether or not latency is still occurring.  (Hit 'E' again turn effects back on when finished with the recording test).  It is quite possible that one or more effects in the project is causing latency issues.  This can happen with plugins that use look-ahead processing, or are otherwise intended for use AFTER the initial recording process is finished.


    So, I will look for a response when I get back from running a few errands.  In the meantime, perhaps someone else can assist you.


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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 20:40:40 (permalink)
    S Effren


    Hoping you guys can help me here. Setting up the newest version of Superior Drummer in X2 to be triggered with my Yamaha DTX900 E-drum set. Never had latency with just the Yamaha's own drum module. I tried bumping up the Prepare using millisecond buffer parameter from 250 to 500. It worked until the next time I hit record. The latency would then return. It turns out that I can actually adjust the "Prepare using..." parameter to any value and it will behave as I stated above. It's the act of changing the value, not the value itself that seems to "reset" the latency issue. But then it returns as soon as I try to record. Toggling the audio echo on/off doesn't seem to matter. Thanks again for your help.
    What is your soundcard latency set to? That's probably your problem. Smaller numbers for recording, bigger numbers for mixing.
     
    Are you using any of the plugins SD adds to their presets? If so, disable them in SD just to see if the latency goes away.
     
    Next, are you using any additional plugins in real time in Sonar X2 while trying to record SD?
     
    The midi buffer thing you're messing with probably won't make any difference no matter what you try. Your issue isn't midi at this point, it's audio believe it or not. That option is pretty much for midi note dropouts. Not audio drop outs, actual midi notes not triggering a sound.
     
    Your Yamaha module:  Right, you wouldn't have any issues with the Yam module because it is not relying on your cpu or RAM. SD 2.0 in real time relies on RAM, CPU and how low you can get your ASIO buffers on your soundcard. This also depends on how powerful your CPU is and why it's super important to answer the questions Bob asked you.
     
    For me to run SD 2.0 latest build with 0 latency using Roland V-Drums, I run my ASIO buffers at 64 in my soundcard and can run my own plugins per track in Sonar as I create virtual tracks for my SD 2 in Sonar so each drum has it's own track. I hate working inside the drum module and would rather process using my plugs in Sonar.
     
    I do not use any of the effects that SD gives me and I do not use any drum presets that are loaded with SD effects. I get 0 latency using this method. The only time I DO get latency is if I run a certain amount of effects that are cpu intensive. There are quite a few plugs that shouldn't be used in real time. As soon as I use these, I may get some latency. Upon disabling them, the latency is gone and once my midi track is printed, I can enable those plugins as they will not effect my drums after they are recorded.
     
    Good luck and I hope some of this helps. It is my belief that you need to lower your ASIO buffers to record your drums. When you are done recording, you can raise them back up to save on CPU processing. For recording though, you shoudl try to go as low as you can without pops, clicks or audio engine drop-outs. Once you're done, raise the buffers once again.
     
    Just for your head, when I record here, I'm at 64 and sometimes 32 buffers in my soundcard using ASIO. When I'm done, I raise the buffers to 2048 and leave them there unless I have to record something again.
     
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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 20:49:38 (permalink)
    Have you tried SD via Toontrack Solo, to take Sonar out of the equation?

    Check the plug-ins in your Sonar project.  When I add even one instance of LP64 Multiband to any track in a project, the latency goes through the roof until I disable it and restart the audio engine.
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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/24 21:59:23 (permalink)
    mr effrin sir I think some spec would benefit you my friend.
    why not put them right in your sig for everyone here to see eveytime you post, it will help you in the long run buddy :)

    if your not using a soundcard your going to have latency issues, you can always go the asio4all route it needed.
    http://www.asio4all.com/

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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/26 20:59:30 (permalink)
    Sorry I took a bit to get back to you after y'all were kind enough to post. The beach isn't going to go to itself for a couple days you know. Anyway, I played around with some of the above suggestions, I seem to have gotten everything working by dropping the buffer of my audio card (RME HDSPe) down to 64 from 512. It's the first time I've had to mess with the buffer on the RME since getting it. It was such a dramatic improvement over the MOTU Traveler it replaced, I really haven't had a single latency issue until know. Thanks so much guys.
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    Re:Strange MIDI Latency issue with Superior Drummer 2013/05/26 21:25:39 (permalink)

    thanks for following up on your post, sometimes people don't always do that.
    I like when they do because I often go back over posts ive made to check on how people are doing.

    happy jamming.

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