Strange crash, Pure virtual funcion call

Hi all!

I've been having a really annoying hard crash lately. It's totally reproducable and I've never seen anything like it before.

Everytime I try to move a clip Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library is getting a Runtime Error and SONAR hangs.



Specs:
SONAR X3c Producer
Intel Core i7 3770K @ 3.50GHz
16GB RAM
Windows 8.1 64-bit
Octa-Capture
VS-700C

I would really appriciate any ideas!

Best Regards
Ludvig

Darn beat me to it.... although Visual studio 2013 came out today...

I also got this message twice. when using prochannel.Installing the net framework update did not help. I opened another thread with crashes when moving bus faders when prochannel modules are present on it.

Time to run windows update.

The package that was delivered was tested with the redistributable that cake had to work with at the time.Since then there were updates to windows that cake has no control over. That is why it wouldnt hurt to try to update the redistributable to see if that solves the problem.

FreeFlyBertl

cowboydan
try downloading this and installing. maybe this will help.
 
 
Download Visual C++ Redistributable for Visual Studio 2012 Update 3 from Official Microsoft Download Center

I was under the impression to stick to what ever redistributable comes with the software when it is installed via its installation package. isn't that the one against which it was developed and tested?
 
If there is a problem in the underlying windows API that needs to be fixed via updating redistributables, I would assume it should be very much in Cakewalk's interest to let us all know rather than having us try these things blindly ...

 Redistributables  often get delivered by Microsoft update. They are Microsoft's responsibility. Sonar may trigger installation of these packages or may even supply them but after that one would hope windows update would take over, and when that doesn't happen (patch Tuesday is once a month)  you have to take action yourself, or a third party patch may trigger or supply the update later.... eg X3D, and it probably should have happened with X3C.

Hi again all!

Thanks for the interesting discussion and all the input.

I don't really blame Cakewalk for this. I've had Sonar running fine since it came out. The only thing I can think of is that this should be related to some Windows update. I noticed I had it set to automatic which I thought was a good idea since windows 8 is relatively new. Maybe this wasn't so ...

On the other had I figure that at least someone else would have the same situation.

Best Regards
Ludvig

TomHelvey
I don't know if this will help you troubleshoot your problem or not, but pure virtual function calls usually happen when the dll containing the code gets unloaded prematurely.
1. Load the dll
2. Create an object from the dll
3. Unload the dll
4. Call a method on the object you created from the dll, the loader can't find the code so it calls the base class method which isn't defined. (pure virtual function)
We used to get these in code that had issues with object reference counting. We solved the problem by letting the OS manage the reference counting but that may not be doable in an app like Sonar which needs to load and unload plug-ins on demand.

 
Interesting... never tried that. Compilers will usually catch instantiations without plugged pure virtuals, but never though you could abuse it runtime-wise. I suppose it could get ugly if the base and descendant were in different .dlls...

I used to HAVE a Sinclair.  Wrote my first Lotto program on it.
 
Peek, Poke, aah the memories.
 
Bob Bone
 

FWIW, my computer history also began with Sinclair. To young to own the ZX 80/81 but man did I wan't those!
In my case it would be ZX Spectrum 48k (yes, the big one!), ZX Spectrum 128 (with additional Microdrive) followed by Atari ST ...

I used to spend a whole weekend typing in a sampler in basic from a listing in a magazine. Then before I got to save it to tape, which was a lengthy thing, I managed to pull out the power cord. That is how I learned about backup. The hard way.

None of this will help me with this though :-)

This time I'm not the programmer (thank god). All I'm trying to do is move a clip in TV. I get this everytime.
It still is working in SONAR X2, if that might matter.

Best Regards
Ludvig

Thanks Shambler!

I'll try that. Did not think of that I might should unistall de VC++ redist's.
I know what keys I should remove to make a complete uninstall of SONAR.

What I don't understand is if it's really just me that is having this problem if it's related to some update of Windows.

Best Regards
Ludvig

Now you are getting me :) ZX80s simply worked as long as you left them alone. Ended up working as a very good door stop.

Ludvig
Hi again!

Problem solved! Thought I just should report that.

I uninstalled and reinstalled all the VC++ Redistributables from 2010 and 2012. That did not change anything.
After that I performed a clear uninstall and reinstall of SONAR X3 and now everything is working again.

Still not really sure what caused this but the only thing I could think of is some kind of automatic Windows update.

So much to auto-updates ... one day your DAW works, the next day it doesn't.
 
That's why I don't do any updates when the DAW is running stable (which X2a did really nicely), unfortunately X3b/X3c made me go into this updating game and yet isn't there where X2a was ...
 
 
 

Ludvig
Hi again all!

Thanks for the interesting discussion and all the input.

I don't really blame Cakewalk for this. I've had Sonar running fine since it came out. The only thing I can think of is that this should be related to some Windows update. I noticed I had it set to automatic which I thought was a good idea since windows 8 is relatively new. Maybe this wasn't so ...

On the other had I figure that at least someone else would have the same situation.

Best Regards
Ludvig

I feel the same way. 8.1 is very new, so I keep Windows update running to download, but it tells me so I can control the install, not the fully automatic style.
 
I always make a system image backup before these, just in case.
 
It just so happened that the last Patch Tuesday (11/12/13) launched a rather massive 8.1 update that was not a security fix.
 
It is http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2887595
 
If you expand the affected files in 8.1 and print, you will get a whopping 75 page listing - it is massive.
 
If this update is to blame - and I'm not saying that it is - we will probably find fixes shortly.
 
MS surely wants 8.1 to succeed pretty badly.
 
I feel a bit jealous of all those who stayed with Windows 7, and I would encourage people to continue to do so if their job is tied up with this.
 
But Windows 8.1 has a much more streamlined kernel and is really seems nice once one gets used to it.
 
All this is a hobby, toy and a game for me, so I stay on the edge of the ADSR.
 
 
 
 
 

arachnaut

Ludvig
Hi again all!

Thanks for the interesting discussion and all the input.

I don't really blame Cakewalk for this. I've had Sonar running fine since it came out. The only thing I can think of is that this should be related to some Windows update. I noticed I had it set to automatic which I thought was a good idea since windows 8 is relatively new. Maybe this wasn't so ...

On the other had I figure that at least someone else would have the same situation.

Best Regards
Ludvig

I feel the same way. 8.1 is very new, so I keep Windows update running to download, but it tells me so I can control the install, not the fully automatic style.
 
I always make a system image backup before these, just in case.
 
It just so happened that the last Patch Tuesday (11/12/13) launched a rather massive 8.1 update that was not a security fix.
 
It is http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2887595
 
If you expand the affected files in 8.1 and print, you will get a whopping 75 page listing - it is massive.
 
If this update is to blame - and I'm not saying that it is - we will probably find fixes shortly.
 
MS surely wants 8.1 to succeed pretty badly.
 
I feel a bit jealous of all those who stayed with Windows 7, and I would encourage people to continue to do so if their job is tied up with this.
 
But Windows 8.1 has a much more streamlined kernel and is really seems nice once one gets used to it.
 
All this is a hobby, toy and a game for me, so I stay on the edge of the ADSR.
 
 
 
 
 

So how many people have installed Windows update and have this exact problem?
There were some very necessary updates here. I don't think this is a smoking gun so far....