Strange problem with new soundcard

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2017/05/11 06:36:19 (permalink)

Strange problem with new soundcard

Hi guys I`m having a nightmare trying to connect a Motu 624 AVB with a new very powerfull Laptop (Acer Aspire V5-519G)
The audio driver is crashing every time I work with 44.1khz projects.
If i work on 48khz projects for hours it works perfect.
When i connect it with my 8 year old pc it works fine no crashes what so ever,and this pc is much slower.
Motu are doing what they can to help but it is probably an incompatible issue between hardware and software.
Motu Microsoft and Intel something to do with the usb chipset of intel.
 
This was a fully working laptop for this last year had no issues with it tracking 16 tracks of 48khz 24 bit audio for long periods.
Still I made a fresh install of everything including bios ,firmware and drivers directly from Acer official site.
Any info would be greatly app. before i go and get a cheap HP or soemthing more compatable with Motu cause I need this for live performance urgently.
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    karhide
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 06:38:45 (permalink)
    Have you contacted Motu about the issue and have you tried with any other audio software?

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 07:46:30 (permalink)
    Have you tried disabling on-board audio (including HDMI based drivers)? Do you have any third party drivers like ASIO4ALL or Jack on your system (even if you're not using them)?
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 09:52:58 (permalink)
    Yes I contacted motu they are doing their best i hope.Even with windows media player if its a 44.1 khz file it will crash.
    Yes i disabled all other audio drivers from the device manager.
    Thanks 
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 10:10:51 (permalink)
    Since Windows Media Player crashes too, that points to a PC problem rather than a problem with the MOTU or Sonar. 
     
    Was this upgraded to Win 10 or did it come with Win 10?  I see one reference to this model with a 2014 date that suggests it came with Win 7 or Win 8?  If this is the case, a "clean" Win 10 install may be needed, assuming all the hardware is fully Win 10 compatible.  
     

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 12:05:19 (permalink)
    Hi Fireberd first thanks for the help.
    Yes it is a 2014 model i got it in 2015,it came with win 10 home now i have Win 10 Pro and i did a clean install already,and yes im sure it is a pc problem cause i used the motu with Sonar on a much older pc and worked perfect. I`m just triying to pin piont the problem in this powerfull laptop.
    It has an Intel core i7-6700HQ that`s one of the fatest mobile cpu`s around.
     
    One other strange thing is that this laptop is not letting me uninstall the onboard audio completely,
    i mean i can disable it in the device manager but if i try to uninstall it completly,next restart it will install again on its own.Windows hardware update is set to no,so this must be something integrated in the bios,and that is a problem because when i go in the bios i do not have any options to disable anything.
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 12:23:18 (permalink)
    If you got it in 2015 with Win 10 home it may be a pre release version and not the full final version.  That again may be the problem.  
     
    Go to the Settings Panel and the System and then About.  Report what Version and OS Build you have.

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 14:05:16 (permalink)
    Windows 10 Pro
    Version 1703
    os Build 15063.296
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 14:09:17 (permalink)
    I would check with Motu if they support the Creators update for W10. It might be that they only support up to 1607 (anniversary update).
    Another thing.. How did you connect the Motu? AVB or USB 3?

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 15:14:41 (permalink)
    usb 3.0 that`s what giving me the problem,the chipset of intel i`ve been told in another forum.
    By the way on windows you cannot connect it with cat 5 only on mac you can.
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 15:23:15 (permalink)
    maltastudio
    usb 3.0 that`s what giving me the problem,the chipset of intel i`ve been told in another forum.
    By the way on windows you cannot connect it with cat 5 only on mac you can.
    Peace


    Yep, that's the problem 90% of the time with newer systems.  Especially if you notice that the interface works just fine on your older system.

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 19:32:39 (permalink)
    That is the current Win 10 Creator's Upgrade.  There is no MOTU problem with the Creator's Upgrade.  
     
    10-4 on USB 3.0 and most MOTU USB interface units.  I had problems with USB 3.0 and no problems with USB 2.0.  There is a long thread on the gearslutz forum about the USB 3.0 "problems".  
     
    My new DAW PC build (back in late November) only has 3.0 and 3.1 ports on the rear I/O panel.  My MOTU 896Mk3 Hybrid is also Firewire interface so I bought a PCIe Firewire interface card (with T.I.) chipset and using that.  However on a laptop usually there is no other option and you are "SOL".
     
    However, this does not address the core problem, the PC will not play 44.1Khz with Windows Media Player (Have you tried a "standard" 16 bit/44.1Khz?) 

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 19:36:10 (permalink)
    i'm thinking, tyring to help ... but the obvious was suggested already ...
     
    following this thread as a MOTU user 
     
    BTW, the 624 was one of the first interfaces to come out with a USB3 (not USB2) port in the back ... and here's what they claim in their marketing material
    With 32 and 34 channels of audio I/O, respectively, the 624 and 8A connect to any computer with Thunderbolt™ or super-speed USB3, which is, of course, backward compatible with USB2.
    New optimized MOTU drivers deliver industry-leading, ultra-low round-trip latency (RTL) performance as low as 1.6 ms at 96kHz over Thunderbolt with high-performance DAW hosts (with a 32-sample host buffer). Over USB3 (or USB2), RTL performance is an astonishing 1.9 ms. Generally speaking, the main advantage of USB3 is the increased bus bandwidth, with latency performance for both USB2 and USB3 within a few hundredths of a millisecond of Thunderbolt. Both USB 3.0 and Thunderbolt support up to 128 channels of input and output to and from the computer (at 44.1 or 48 kHz). That's 256 simultaneous audio channels!

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/11 23:02:08 (permalink)
    The funniest thing is that when the Audio driver crashes  I  open a 48khz project and it restars the driver again and I could work on it as much as i like without a crash.
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/12 10:25:02 (permalink)
    I'm still stuck on the report that Windows Media Player doesn't play 44.1khz audio files, which suggests a basic PC/Windows problem.  That needs to be fixed before even considering the MOTU.

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/12 15:37:14 (permalink)
    I Gave up on this laptop one day Intel and Microsoft maybe will fix this.
    I`m using my son`s laptop for now a much slower i3 Toshiba but the Motu 624 works like a charm on it.
    Thanks everyone for the info
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/12 17:06:28 (permalink)
    Too bad.  I would suspect a corrupted Win 10 install.  I would download and install the latest version of Win 10, direct from Microsoft and start with that.  Only install any needed drivers from Acer (Win will install many drivers if you are on line (or able to go on line) when you do the install. 
     
    See this thread from the www.tenforums.com  about how to download and install the creators upgrade version of Win 10 direct from Microsoft.  
     
    https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/9230-download-windows-10-iso-file.html
     
     

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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/12 17:26:26 (permalink)
    Firebird i did that twice this week i`m not a person who gives up qiuckly and that laptop that`s not working cost as much as the 624,but im sure it`s the chipset of that particular model, acer or intel will have to fix this when more poeple statrs using usb 3.0 devices.
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    Re: Strange problem with new soundcard 2017/05/12 22:54:51 (permalink)
    I'll agree on the USB 3.0.  However, you reported Windows Media Player would not play 44.1Khz files, and that has nothing to do with Sonar or your MOTU unit.  That is a Windows problem or some other application you have running.

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