BombayCharlie
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String library sounds
Hey All, just wondering if any of you use the included string libraries for Dimension Pro or a third party plug-in. If you use a plug-in what do you use? I'm asking because a few of the songs that I've submitted for some film projects have some background string pads and I was told I need to update my string library.
I'm just curious what most of you use
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 16:28:02
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I use GPO and Kontakt as well as an XV 5080 for strings.
The SI strings are usable to a degree. Dimension Pro is also ok.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 17:19:15
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I use the strings in EWQL Hollywood Strings as well as the ones in Symphonic Orchestra. They sound very realistic and include a large variety of articulations. Best of all, they are on sale now (see for example the Complete Composers Collections). Cheers...
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Re: String library sounds
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Re: String library sounds
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 17:29:37
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LA scoring strings here. Have GPO too.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 17:36:06
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 18:06:30
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 18:14:55
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Dim Pro is actually pretty good. Even the often-overlooked TTS-1 does a decent job.
Randy Bowser (rbowser on the forum) and I did a shootout a couple years ago that included every string library you ever heard of. We offered a cool prize supplied by Gary Garritan to motivate participation, and got more than 40 submissions. Participants ranged from casual orchestrators (like me) to experienced professionals. Everybody worked from the same MIDI file, the Star Trek theme. They could use any library they wanted, as long as they used just one.
At the end, the lesson we all took away from that exercise was this: it's 99% skill and 1% which library you use. Learn to orchestrate properly, and you can make any sound source work.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 18:52:29
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At the end, the lesson we all took away from that exercise was this: it's 99% skill and 1% which library you use. Learn to orchestrate properly, and you can make any sound source work. +1
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/18 18:54:54
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bitflipper
Dim Pro is actually pretty good. Even the often-overlooked TTS-1 does a decent job.
Randy Bowser (rbowser on the forum) and I did a shootout a couple years ago that included every string library you ever heard of. We offered a cool prize supplied by Gary Garritan to motivate participation, and got more than 40 submissions. Participants ranged from casual orchestrators (like me) to experienced professionals. Everybody worked from the same MIDI file, the Star Trek theme. They could use any library they wanted, as long as they used just one.
At the end, the lesson we all took away from that exercise was this: it's 99% skill and 1% which library you use. Learn to orchestrate properly, and you can make any sound source work.
I remember that shootout, Bit. Really fun! I've been using MOTU Symphonic Instrument thru Mach 5 a lot recently and I like their libraries. I still use GPO and Dimension as well.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 02:16:31
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I think that 99% skill 1% string library is more a representation of the fact you need to know how to orchestrate to make even the best string libraries sound their best.
I would say you definitely need both a decent library and orchestration skill if you want to compete, the reason being that you need lots of different articulations, maybe even some con sordino or the ability to use divisi for instance and the basic libraries don't provide large enough sound palettes to make a lot of orchestrations sound convincing. True legato is another massive step toward realism and this isn't anywhere to be found on the low end stuff.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 08:12:58
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Garritan GPO 4 and East-West. Although, I picked up the Digital Sound Factory Symphonic Strings HD library for Dim Pro. It is very good for the money. Very affordable too.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 08:19:15
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BTW, Wizard is correct. It would help if you investigated some articles about midi orchestration. There are some very good ones online. Garritan has a free orchestration and jazz course on their site that is very good. It also helps if you can locate some actual scores to look at.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 08:46:18
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 11:12:55
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I've been trying figure something out, string-wise, but haven't found a suitable sample in my collection of DimPro samples - including Garritan Pocket Orchestra, DSF Hollywood Strings HD.
Maybe it's because I don't know what it's called, but it looks to me like the samples I have are all notes played with bowing in a single direction. When you play a bowed instrument, you bow back and forth, and this movement provides part of the rhythm. It may be on a single note, different notes on the same string or jumping to other strings. You can get a nice beat going when the back and forth is mixed with the note changes.
Perhaps there's a way to fake this with simple samples ?
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 11:54:26
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I've been trying figure something out, string-wise, but haven't found a suitable sample in my collection of DimPro samples - including Garritan Pocket Orchestra, DSF Hollywood Strings HD.
Maybe it's because I don't know what it's called, but it looks to me like the samples I have are all notes played with bowing in a single direction. When you play a bowed instrument, you bow back and forth, and this movement provides part of the rhythm. It may be on a single note, different notes on the same string or jumping to other strings. You can get a nice beat going when the back and forth is mixed with the note changes.
Perhaps there's a way to fake this with simple samples ?
I know that Vienna Symphonic Library has different bowing directions (pretty sure GPO does too), in fact, if you hold a note long enough you can hear it switch in VSL. It would be really nice to have more control over it (speed, etc.). However, this is what makes a sampled instrument so different from a real instrument. A violinist will alter the speed of the bow so that they can play longer passages without changing positions if required. They can also changed directions with as little or as much interruption as required (it's all in the wrist!). I cannot begin to imagination how much sampling and programming would go in to such a thing though. I tend to think of sample libraries as very basic (even though VSL has lots of articulations as well as con sordino, col legno, half-step trills, whole step trills, tremolos, glissando, etc. -- all keyswitchable). I grew up playing violin and I can get some very realistic string passages with a little work and for the most part VSL and GPO are all I need. However, if I need something like bow control or technique I still have to rely on a real instrument--especially with solo parts.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 13:04:28
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Depends on your level of orchestration skills and budget I would say. Even the very best librarires won't sound totally convincing if you don't know what you're doing (trust me, I know :) ) but someone who does have the skills could probably make most of them sound good. At the budget end, I think Miroslav Philharmonik sounds good for the price seeing as you can get it for next to nothing most of the time now. UI isn't the best though.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 13:15:15
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Hey all, thanks for all of the suggestions! There seems to be one or two libraries that are the go-to for most of you. This has been very helpful. I also agree with the post that argues that knowing how to use what you have is ultimately more important than the quality of the sound. With a little ( or maybe a lot) of massaging you can coax a great sound out of a not so upscale library. I would suppose that would be a serious time investment as opposed to starting out with a really good sound and tweaking...
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 14:10:32
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I'm sure a lot of the more popular ones should have demo's of what can be achieved, and they do all sound slightly different to each other, so I would try and listen to a few before making a decision. You might want to set a budget ceiling before auditioning some of the really expensive libraries 
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 14:31:42
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I use the strings in EWQL Hollywood Strings as well as the ones in Symphonic Orchestra. They sound very realistic and include a large variety of articulations. Best of all, they are on sale now (see for example the Complete Composers Collections). Cheers...
+1. I use these libraries as well. Hollywood Strings takes time to learn, but once you figure them out, they are IMO the best out there (and the legatos are incredible). I use them for all my orchestral film/tv/theater work. I can't beilieve GPO is still around, they are awful...no matter how well you try and orchestrate them. Vienna Ensemble also offers some excellent string libraries (ie; Dimension Strings). I have also heard good things about LASS and Cinematic Strings.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 15:29:16
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Garritan has up strokes and down strokes and auto alternate on the keyswitches in the lower keys. You can manually alternate the strokes or just click on the alternate key.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 17:49:23
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My experiences:
Vienna Symphonic SE and SE+ do almost everything I need. (When I bought SE/SE+ it included the whole orchestra including strings, plus chamber strings and solo strings.) It has most of the articulations you will need.
Dimension Strings is fabulous but it is a smaller section (though full sounding) and it takes a bit of work to understand all the articulations. You should also think about buying the Vienna Instruments Pro Player to get the most out of it.
I think Hollywood Strings sounds good, but it requires an SSD (in my opinion) to perform well. Streaming from a spinning drive does not always work well. Many film composers swear by Hollywood, but I use it the least of the three.
I am a big Vienna fan. It costs serious bucks but I think it is the gold standard and much easier to use than Hollywood. If I could do it over, I would buy Vienna Apassionata instead of Hollywood for the epic sound.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 19:33:51
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I've got a bunch of the aforementioned libraries (EWQL platnium, Session Strings Pro, Action Strings, GPO, IK's big thing (?) and have delved a lot into the others, LASS, Cini, and AudioBro...most cost a big bundle of bucks (1-2k$$$)or, are quite cheesy, on the low end...... one not mentioned is the Kirk Hunter Libraries, which are on par with the big boys, are quite huge libraries, well regarded in the industry, incorporate "Pattern maker" (tvec5), a tool that's really cool (similar to NI's SSpro Animator but way better or LASS's ART auto rhythm tool) I feel Kirk wins on several fronts: 1) He's a great guy who always communicates, not a giant company; 2 His packages are priced far more reasonably than the big boys but are just as huge and beautiful; 3) His prices are on par with the cheaper stuff like GPO/NI but way better and lastly, 4)as he is an artist/producer like us, he routinely has HUGE sales to make them even more affordable... 2 years ago, in a group buy I got every library at 75% off... I'm sure he's doin' something this year. You'll need your own reverb (I use EWQL spaces) but they are stunning.... lots of examples on his website, including ooodles of videos here: http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/videos.html And he'll answer your emails.... really! just like we do here! http://www.kirkhunterstudios.com/ BTW, I just checked his site and he seems to be doing it again!!!! After checking with the KH forum folks, they indicated that, "That's a stale link from last year, BUT stay tuned. A little bird on Facebook suggested there may be a massive group buy coming up soon." I'll keep you posted as there's a few new offerings I'll want to acquire, along with albion 3. I'm NOT associated with KH in any way but he does offer extremely generous sales on quality products because he wants everyday folk like us to have good stuff...Like Gregg at Orange Tree...it ain't all about the money to either of these dudes, which is refreshing At least check out the orchestrations/examples on his website...before you plunk down ur doe/dough/duh!
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 19:37:05
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I think the last post needs to be edited. Cake forums has turned into a shop :)
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 19:50:17
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I noticed that... was deleting while you were comedieing... your quick, sir!
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 20:12:15
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Just as well you edited it Vastman, I nearly bought all of the plugins... I'm already living off bread and water after paying a visit to Native Instruments and this would never do :) Cheers...
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 22:19:57
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/19 22:23:33
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BombayCharlie - if in the case you're in the 99% don't have skill, the recent Kirk Hunter Strings, which you can use with Kontakt, offers a lot to make you sound like you belong in the 1% who do know strings.
I suggest you give it a good look if you are really looking for some nice strings.
That said, if you mainly want to layer on some strings here and there in your pieces then many of the synths and synth libraries have worthwhile options. That includes what's already in Dimension Pro.
I'm particularly impressed with what's included in Omnisphere.
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Re: String library sounds
2013/12/20 00:13:57
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The Kirk Hunter library demos I have heard are great.
If someone just wants some simple string washes and some solo strings here and there, is there a package that makes sense that includes the sampler format, or does one have to buy a separate Kontakt sampler. That is the part that throws me off on buying his libraries so far.
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