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Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
I'm in the market for some near-field active studio monitors to use at home and I have many questions. These will be my first and I'm not very technical so I've been trying to weigh the pros and cons of different monitors, but I don't actually know what the most important aspects are. I know speaker size (or frequency range?) is probably the first thing I should consider, but how much should signal to noise ratio, cone diaphragm material, box shape (squared or rounded) and magnetic shielding (unshielded possibly dangerous for placing near my computer?) weigh into my choice? Any other important things I should be looking at in the specs? I will be using these monitors in a 400X330cm (~13x11 feet) room and it will not get any sound treatment (if it makes any difference there is also an opening on one of the walls perpendicular to the one where I sit; this leads into a walkway). MONITOR PLACEMENT Since my monitors will be sitting with their backs pretty close to the wall, I figure it's smarter for me to go front-ported. But I have also heard that it's a good idea to put panels behind the monitors (the only sound treatment I might do). What kind of material should I use for that? Will this really help if I get rear-ported monitors or should I only consider front-ported? Does a 2-way ported enclosure really help the speakers to sound better despite the room acoustics? MONITOR SIZE / FREQUENCY RANGE As I said the room is 400X330cm (~13x11 feet). What size monitors should I get? For now I'm mixing mostly rock and metal, but I could see myself working on more electronic music in the future, which will probably require more bass so I'd like to be able to get as much low-end capability as I can, but obviously not too much for my room. How can it be that the Fostex PM series has the same frequency range on their 5", 6", and 8" monitors? And how can it be that my 3" computer speakers go all the way down to 50Hz, around the same as the 5" and 6" monitors I'm looking at? I think there is something basic which I'm not understanding between woofer size and frequency range. I have made a list of the monitors I'm considering from what I've read. I know that I should go to the store with some CDs I know and test them myself, but I'm not sure what to listen for. Yes I know how the CDs sound, but I know how they sound on the speaker I've been using and I don't know how they should actually sound. Here is the list of monitors I'm considering: SAMSON Pros: magnetically shielded, HF adjust, front-ported Cons: square shape Samson Resolv A5 (~$250/pair) http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/resolv/resolva5/ 5", 50Hz - 30kHz Samson Resolv A6 (~$300/pair) http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/resolv/resolva6/ 6.5", 40Hz - 30kHz Samson Resolv A8 (~$300/pair) http://www.samsontech.com/samson/products/studio-monitors/resolv/resolva8/ 8", 30Hz - 30kHz M-AUDIO Pros: magnetically shielded Cons: rear-ported, square shape, no EQ knobs I read that these speakers have a lot of internal control circuity to help protect the speakers from damage: "a subsonic filter keeps out the extreme low frequencies that might otherwise stress the speakers unnecessarily, while RF filtering keeps out frequencies above the audio range. The circuitry also avoids thumps during power up or down, and there's amplifier protection against overheating or over-current." Are these things found in most speakers or is M-Audio leading the pack with these safety measures? M-Audio BX5 D2 (~$340/pair) http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioBX5D2New.html 5", 53Hz - 22kHz M-Audio BX8 D2 (~$410/pair) http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/MAudioBX5D2New.html 5", 53Hz - 22kHz KRK (ROKIT) Pros: round shape, front-ported, HF knob, magnetically shielded Cons: none It seems like these speakers have everything I need and maybe that's why they are so popular, but how do they actually sound compared to the others on this list? KRK RP5 G2 (~$430/pair) http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-monitor-speakers/rokit/rokit-5.html 5", 52Hz - 20kHz KRK RP6 G2 (~$570/pair) http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-monitor-speakers/rokit/rokit-6.html 5", 48Hz - 20kHz KRK RP8 G2 (~$710/pair) http://www.krksys.com/krk-studio-monitor-speakers/rokit/rokit-8.html 5", 48Hz - 20kHz YAMAHA Pros: EQ knobs, magnetically shielded Cons: rear-port, squared Do these really sound like the NS10s with better bass? They seem very professional with different EQ controls, but unfortunately are rear-ported. Yamaha HS50M (~$445/pair) http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/speakers/hs_series/hs50m/?mode=model 5", 55Hz - 20kHz Yamaha HS80M (~$700/pair) http://usa.yamaha.com/products/music-production/speakers/hs_series/hs80m/?mode=model 8", 42Hz - 20kHz FOSTEX Pros: magnetically-shielded, front-ported (2-way), EQ knobs (only on 8") Cons: squared I'm confused as to why all three have the same frequency range? Fostex PM0.5n (~$516/pair) http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/PM0.5n.shtml#3 5", 50Hz - 20kHz Fostex PM-1 MKII (~$700/pair) http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/PM-1_MkII.shtml#3 6", 50Hz - 20kHz Fostex PM-2 MKII (~$700/pair) http://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/products/PM-2_MkII.shtml#3 8", 50Hz - 20kHz TANNOY Pros: rounded, magnetically-shielded, front-ported, EQ knobs (only on 8") Cons: not magnetically-shielded Tannoy Reveal 501A (~$500/pair) http://www.tannoy.com/StudioSummary.aspx#&&fKyRsgHGZPDAjn6o/L0mv5oIswd3Vvr+OGWWaXwC92PaOjbSrzV/RnQ+1MqVpDcsGTHjsa1X35ql32zFrKfuwL/1EDwMqw//btli/2D/fC1mAcDTmydmTYjlXzQUq0n3yuiPngqpB3jgHBIyoeSJ6A== 5", 64Hz - 30kHz Tannoy Reveal 601A (~$780/pair) http://www.tannoy.com/StudioSummary.aspx#&&CY8bpBtE3OiboSbyhRQOGtsw0+GLR3/e6QAMIgAsetO6sHS8qSA2Fy0+2lWnaH61VMtipyjNaz6aDB0zz8xopVmt7eQjimMxu6zw/k3Py/SfMvhJB7xGdPriUnwrUoydSfAxDMbh8FoBSnzq4ZV0+g== 6.5", 60Hz - 30kHz ADAM Pros: 5-year warranty, EQ knobs, coiled tweeter, front-ported (2-way) Cons: squared, not magnetically-shielded I've heard very good things about these speakers, for example the coiled tweeters which are supposed to prevent ear fatigue (does it really help?), and the long frequency range. For thismprice I would assume they sound very good, but it looks like it does have its shortcomings. Are they really worth the price compared to the others on the list? Adam A5X (~$924/pair) http://www.adam-audio.com/en/pro-audio/products/a5x/description 5", 50Hz - 50kHz
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/13 17:37:17
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KRK VXT series. Love mine but only had budget and space for the 4's.
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/13 22:03:41
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I just read a review of the KRK Rokit Powered 10-3. Quite impressive. However, those are $500 a piece. Magnetic shielding may not be that important. As long as you don't have CRT monitors or magnetic tapes that you shouldn't place on the speakers, you only have to worry about your credit cards. Wilko
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/14 06:58:42
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personally I think it's important to get the largest woofers you can afford magnetic sheilding helps as wilko says, but there are orther things which give off EMI which might affect the speakers, your computer for one, any electronics will give off some EMI, how much and if it affects the speakers are subject to each device. I'm not fond of the lower end KRK's the new ones might be OK, but I've not looked at them very closely. if you don't have a sub, get speakers with the lowest freq resp you can. larger woofers do not necessarily translate to frequency response in the lower range, small cones can still output something in that range, but my guess is that if you look at the output graph the response in that lower area is probably rolling off pretty quickly and it's also possible that the smaller cones will not be as accurate in reproducing the lower range (distortion, phasing, etc). I don't have a subwoofer, but I have 8" cones on my monitors - but my freq range doesn't go down below 50Hz. I would like to add a subwoofer one day to my set up to get that extra response. front ported is best in a home studio, IMO, but not always available when you consider other things on the monitors. why do you have "square shape" as a "con"? Tannoys and Adams are supposed to be "top notch" near fields. I do not have any direct experience with them, but I know people who have them and I've never heard anyone say anything about them but praise.
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/14 09:55:41
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Sell the car, sell the house, sell the wife and kids. Get some Barefoots. Just heard a pair on Saturday. Even the wife was impressed, tho not enough to sell herself. But it doesn't sound like you or I have $7000 to spend on monitors. If you have a pair of home stereo speakers w/ decent woofer (8-inches or more) I'd get the small Yamas for a flat perspective and use the home units to "check" the bass. If you don't have an old kenwood laying around, get the biggest woofers you can for the money. And some good headphones. Between the two you can get a good idea of what your music sounds like. @
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/14 10:21:41
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Spend $200 and build yourself some broadband traps. Makes any monitor you end up with that much better.
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/14 11:29:56
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If you want good monitors, then treating your room to some degree should be part of your budjet as well. You will not gain much by spending more on monitors if your room acoustics are whacked. Building absorbers and corner traps are easy. Definitely worth it if you are willing to spend $$$ on good monitors. Move your monitors away from the wall as far as you possibly can. Close to the wall is never a good thing. Go for larger woofers as opposed to a sub. Go to a good pro audio store and listen to all the monitors you're considering buying. Don't buy based on specs. You have to hear them and judge for yourself. Listen to what they reveal. Don't listen for what sounds good. Good monitors don't always sound great at first listen, but that's not what they're designed for. If a pair of monitors sounds great when you slap your favorite CD on, then maybe they're not what you really want for mixing purposes.
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/15 14:04:12
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I'm not as familiar with these, but there are quite a few here who believe that the Behringer Truth monitors (2031???) are an excellent bang for the buck which would leave some funds for tweeking your room as well. I think these are the ones Beagle uses. Perhaps he will comment further....
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/15 14:47:59
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No mention of JBLs... ??? A budget thing?
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/15 21:19:52
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Make your own amps and speakers ! They will be far superior to many of the so called "boutique" offerings out there... There's some links I posted on the NS10 thread in this forum...
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/16 06:52:50
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Tap I'm not as familiar with these, but there are quite a few here who believe that the Behringer Truth monitors (2031???) are an excellent bang for the buck which would leave some funds for tweeking your room as well. I think these are the ones Beagle uses. Perhaps he will comment further.... I didn't mention it before, but those are the ones I have (actually (I have the originals, not the "A" version which is what you'd buy now)
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/16 08:34:45
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With monitors..... you can spend quite a bit of money. Your range there was $250/pr on the low end to almost $1k on the top. Of course, if your budget allows you to spend up to $1000 on a pair of monitors, you would be looking at 8" cones, and something nearer the top of that budget than the bottom. I've said this before, but it always bears repeating. While near fields are supposed to be flat, and yeah, they are flatter than your stereo speakers, they all do have different sound characteristics due to materials, speaker differences, and amp components. So go to a music store with a pro audio recording room and A/B them with a music source that is along the lines of what you will be mixing....and with music that you know well..... so you can evaluate the sound quality. As you will discover, some monitors will sound better than others. So choose the ones you want and carry them to the studio and work with them. Be sure the store has a 30day return policy in case they are horrid in the studio. If they sounded good in the store but horrid in the studio, maybe though, the room needs work. I mix on Mackie MR-5's with a sub. My budget was on the lower end. have fun.
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Re:Studio Monitor Guide / Help Choosing a monitor
2012/02/17 04:40:30
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Bonzos Ghost If you want good monitors, then treating your room to some degree should be part of your budjet as well. You will not gain much by spending more on monitors if your room acoustics are whacked. Building absorbers and corner traps are easy. Definitely worth it if you are willing to spend $$$ on good monitors. Move your monitors away from the wall as far as you possibly can. Close to the wall is never a good thing. Go for larger woofers as opposed to a sub. Go to a good pro audio store and listen to all the monitors you're considering buying. Don't buy based on specs. You have to hear them and judge for yourself. Listen to what they reveal. Don't listen for what sounds good. Good monitors don't always sound great at first listen, but that's not what they're designed for. If a pair of monitors sounds great when you slap your favorite CD on, then maybe they're not what you really want for mixing purposes. ^^^ This! As a rough rule of thumb, you should be spending AT LEAST as much on treating your room as you do on your monitors. Without treatment you are wasting 2/3 of what you actually spent on your monitors. At the very least you should treat the mirror points, corners and rear wall.
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