Jeff Evans
On the Mac you can run two different interfaces now for input and output from your DAW.  (At  different buffer sizes too)

Doh, when I saw that feature, I assumed it was for both Mac and Windows? It is still on my list to try out, but would be useful for certain, one-off scenarios for me. The complexity of the audio engine does validate the fact that performance is not "all audio interface drivers," which has seemed to become the perceived reality.
 
I am convinced their folks do read and monitor these forums fairly heavily. A couple posts in the SONAR forum a few days before the S1 3.5 release related directly to new features it had. Subtle, but too coincidental to blow off. Ironically, I have only been in their forums a few times, but realized quickly that one of the primarily posters there also posts here.

I would want to see the 2 interfaces at work first plus get some in depth info on how they asure the sync ... probably not trivial since you are listening to backing track output from one interface while recording with another ... that opens the door for additional issues you won't have to worry about when using one big hi quality interface.

dubdisciple
Funny thing is I wasn't planning on jumping ship and really don't consider it that way, although missing upgrade deadline likely factors now. I honestly prefer mixing in sonar. I do find getting things to just work easier on studio one. Controllers have been damn near effortless where as i struggled getting transports and controllers to work right with Sonar.

 
What I meant by jumping ship was a couple of song posters that were real nice folks checked out Studio One
( pre X3 days ) and they quietly left the forum w out any fanfare or good byes ..
Then there was a few fellas about a year or so ago that kept beating a S O War Drum . They couldn't help themselves when it came to outright butting heads w Craig in multiple threads and causing a lot of useless forum contention .. 
 
dubdisciple , you are too much of a good person ..we don't want to loose you
 
 

BobF
I would like to be able to have separate IN/OUT interfaces.  It would sure make using some of the boxes I have a lot easier; my FA 06 and GT-001 being two examples.

+1
 

BobF
Mac has aggregation capability as part of the OS.  Or so I hear.

Hi Bob , when I saw these two posts of yours , so I decided to try some thing out that I have always wanted to try ...
I was just sitting here reading the forum using my 10 year old i Mac .
I didn't have my audio interface connected since I was just using the on board computer audio to watch u tubes and surf the web.
I went into the closet and grabbed my Yamaha THR 5 ..hooked it up to the i Mac VIA USB .
Then I went into System Preferences and set my Computers input to the Yamaha and my output to internal speakers..
I opened up Reaper because I had a project that was local on my machine ...that meant I didn't have to connect my external HD that has all my Logic and other Mac based instrument samples and  loops...
Upon opening Reaper , it told me I didn't have an audio interface ( my default is my 2i4 ) so I went into Reaper set my audio input for the Yamaha , then I set my output for the built in out put ...
To make a long story short I laid down a guitar track using the Yamaha with very specific tones ..
Reaper recorded it perfectly ...I think the only small glitch I had was after I recorded my playing I had to set my freshly recorded track to an output for Reaper to blend it with the other audio of my project for play back ...
( When I had recorded I used the Yamaha for monitoring my guitar playing in real time )
 
FWIW, I have had the ability to do this for years ,
Yet in all honesty , this is the first time I have ever tried doing this workflow
Now I'm like What! W T Hell Kenny ..... What have you been waiting for ?  I guess it's better late than never
I would love to be able to do this type of thing in Windows ..
If Studio One can do this in Windows I will be leaving Prime and upgrading real soon ...
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
 

The dual interfaces all work fine on a Mac. I can run Studio One on my iMac and I have tried it with an RME Fireface 800 interface connected to the firewire 800 port and a Focusrite interface connected to the thunderbolt port.  Cool thing is you can select either or the same one for record or playback.  Sync all seems to be fine and both locked to the computer.  I am doing a big session tomorrow and will run both.  Different latencies can be set for either.
 
 

Kenny.  Definitely not losing me.  Despite enjoying Studio One (and Logic for that matter), i still think Sonar is criminally underrated among DAWs. There simply is no perfect DAW.  I can find strengths and weaknesses among them all.  There are things off the top of my head i can say Sonar is preferable to me. IMO Sonar's bundled instruments are superior.  Presence sounds super thin compared to Dimension. Rapture(another underrated Cakewalk product) and Z3ta+ both are preferable to me than Mai Thai (a decent synth but too much CPU). I always found it weird that so many feel the need to bash products when they choose to use another.   Even though i missed deadline, i am hoping Cakewalk has another last chance deal when i have the spare cash.

Genghis
I probably use Studio One these days more than SONAR, but I do still use SONAR for some things, and there is one feature that I prefer very much in the Cakewalk world compared to the PreSonus world...

This forum! 

I still update SONAR and try to keep up with what is new, but I find that I read the Software forum here because it's a good way to keep up with what is going on with all kinds of plugins, not just Cakewalk stuff.  I'll be checking out the most recent update, but man, I really like the new low-latency native monitoring in Studio One.  That feature alone makes me glad I started learning to use other applications.  (I still find things that I know how to do in SONAR that I have to Google for how to do them in Studio One, but I'm getting better.)

My sentiments exactly. I struggle to do some basic things, but fortunately the things i need to do for my students right now are pretty intuitive.

kennywtelejazz

dubdisciple
Kenny.  Definitely not losing me.  Despite enjoying Studio One (and Logic for that matter), i still think Sonar is criminally underrated among DAWs. There simply is no perfect DAW.  I can find strengths and weaknesses among them all.  There are things off the top of my head i can say Sonar is preferable to me. IMO Sonar's bundled instruments are superior.  Presence sounds super thin compared to Dimension. Rapture(another underrated Cakewalk product) and Z3ta+ both are preferable to me than Mai Thai (a decent synth but too much CPU). I always found it weird that so many feel the need to bash products when they choose to use another.   Even though i missed deadline, i am hoping Cakewalk has another last chance deal when i have the spare cash.

Hey dubdisciple ,
 
I was hit very hard with outside of music time sensitive financial responsibility when they were offering the deal.
I literally had to go with out in other areas to make it happen ...
Squeaked in with around a week and a half to spare on the deadline .
FWIW, I sure hope Cakewalk does bring back the lifetimes deal to give folks another shot at getting a great deal  . 
 
Yes Logic is a Great DAW ...I have Logic 9 . That's as high up as I can go in Logic with my older Mac's .
I Love the bundled instruments and plugs that come with both Logic and SPlat ..
When I have the need I will use both programs in a song project.IMHO they seem to complement each other well .
 
 
Yes I happen to agree with you , there is no perfect DAW ( at least right out of the box ) they all seem to be in a state of flux and constant development ...
Ideally even if there was a perfect DAW I would be still hitting the same brick walls I'm hitting now ..
I hate to say it but Ole Kenny needs an upgrade because he may turn out to be the weak link in the signal chain
 
Yeah sure,  w out VST support the Studio One version I'm demoing has some pretty weak sounds ..at this point in time I'm more OK finding out if Studio One has the type of workflow I can be able to work in ...
 
Hey ,  it was nice talking with you ,
 
all the best,
 
Kenny

Always good to talk to you. Cakewalk has the best forum and I have always appreciated the freedom to discuss competing software here. I do get annoyed with those that come here to bash our host.

We are still using Logic 9 at teen center. We have discussed upgrading, but the benefits didn't warrant the cost.

I think Studio One Prime severely misrepresents Studio One worlflow. For example, I discovered that one could create an extremely efficient sampled drum workflow using Sample One. I really don't like Trap, but working at urban programs necessitates knowing how to make it. Intricate hi-hat and snare patterns mean dedicated channels for those are a must. A simple feature like sample one's ability to cycle through the folder of any sample you drop in is a serious time saver. I have wanted a similar workflow in cakewalk for years.

dubdisciple
I do love Mac's ability to use two interfaces.

Yes so am I   I may have just tried it recently w my Yamaha THR 5 ....
 
Now that I have found out how easy this is to do on a Mac I'm gonna have to start using my Apogee GIO interface more often
 

dubdisciple

Always good to talk to you. Cakewalk has the best forum and I have always appreciated the freedom to discuss competing software here. I do get annoyed with those that come here to bash our host.

We are still using Logic 9 at teen center. We have discussed upgrading, but the benefits didn't warrant the cost.

I think Studio One Prime severely misrepresents Studio One worlflow. For example, I discovered that one could create an extremely efficient sampled drum workflow using Sample One. I really don't like Trap, but working at urban programs necessitates knowing how to make it. Intricate hi-hat and snare patterns mean dedicated channels for those are a must. A simple feature like sample one's ability to cycle through the folder of any sample you drop in is a serious time saver. I have wanted a similar workflow in cakewalk for years.

Yes dubdisciple,
 
Hey World listen up ...Viva The Cakewalk Forum ...it is the best forum period
 
Yeah some of these guys that want to come here and rock the boat. I don't know man, whats the payoff for them?
They always seem to end up drifting down the road eventually after what seems to be a long painful while 
 
I had my Mac for a few years before I had gotten Logic 9 . I knew I wanted it because I was using MainStage 2.
I was saving up to get Logic 9 and then Apple pulled it from the app store when Logic X came out ..
I was like WHAT ? My i Mac is running Lion and I had no way of getting Logic 9 unless I could find it used ..
Eventually i got lucky . A former Mac store genius was looking to sell his boxed set w all 9 disks ..
He wanted $120 bucks for it so I met him outside a local Target store .
I brought my big A$$ed dog Duke with me because it was a real nice night out to be outdoors ...
After I handed the guy a hundred and twenty bucks  we wound up BS'ing for about an hour ....
Duke was working him over the whole time giving him the look , rubbing up against him ,  wagging his tail , and  wanting to be pet ...Duke has got that Velcro Dog thing down to a science because he practices on me ...
 
When we were done talking the guy looks at me and Duke and he says to us "you guys seem like nice people " and he hands me back 40 bucks So Hell Yeah I can roll w Logic 9 and be OK w it. Got's some good Mojo & Karma ..
 
Sure Studio One Prime may be real light feature wise and it may not be the best way to get an idea of the full program ...I can understand that ...I am looking for something that I haven't seemed to have found yet
At the very least if I can get familiar with it I can teach it to my car mechanics son ...
The kids father helped me out big time and saved me a lot of money while we fixed my one way car ...
I offered to buy them Home Studio ..it looks like they want to go with something real simple and free ....
Heck I might have to put my wallet under house arrest anyway if a few bucks show up .I'm a DAW whore at heart 
I'll have a fling with any musical DAW that can stand to be in the same room with me
 
all the best ,
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Starise
I'm curious. How exactly in basic terms does  the new latency compensation work? 
 
I am also  on the forum over there and I attempted to find out more. I didn't find out much. There were a few having issues with it.
 
Apparently maximum use of it is conditional on a few factors. It seems to use cpu cycles re distribution during tracking similar to the way an older PT setup worked. It doesn't appear to work 100% for everyone. In fact, a few have reported less latency with the compensation box unchecked.
 
Do I need specific hardware to utilize the new function? Is this more a feature for Mac? Is this only a thunderbolt feature?
 
I think Presonus should be more clear on who can use it and the limitations.

I confess that i have no idea how it actually works.  i can attest that it does indeed work on windows. using Sonar with my laptop with wireless card enabled is latency hell.  I'm sure it doesn't work for everybody, but everyone i know personally seems to have found it useful.

The little info I've gathered is that it seems to work better on larger mixes. 100 tracks playing back and recording tracks at the same time. This would probably be tough on any average laptop. I really don't know. Some are reporting problems with it. Since Presonus is touting a new interface I wondered if it works better with that. Having P hardware doesn't seem to matter for some. 

Seems like a good feature from what I read here. If it's a real advantage other vendors will follow quickly.

I am actually inclined to test Studio One to see what it can do compared to Sonar. Are there demo versions which are easy to install without iLok & Co yet are not too restricted?

Studio One Prime is free, but quite limited. No limitation on duration.

Studio One's DEMO is the Pro version which is 30 days with the limitations on this page http://support.presonus.c...the-Studio-One-3-Demo-

No iLok or such is required, you just need an account registered with PreSonus.

Biome Digital
Been waiting for Studio one to evolve.

 
Studio One has evolved.
 
I think they will sort some things out with settings and they may adjust it so the best latency figures should be achieved in LLM mode rather than outside it.  (this is with instrument monitoring and only under certain conditions. There are other circumstances where the lowest latency does happen with LLM mode on) It is not that important how it is set, it is all about getting the figures low for virtual instruments especially.  I like it when the software feels as fast as the hardware does. 
 
On the audio side, plugins can be used in real time during tracking easily as long as they meet certain conditions.  I am about to do some testing on the audio side now.  It is important to feed signals into the DAW under test from the outside and record and measure the results of the DAW under test in a second DAW.  I can do this as I have Studio One setup on both PC and Mac machines.  Both at the latest version.  I am making the MAC machine the DAW under test because of the thunderbolt interface and how well Focusrite interfaces perform under these conditions.  At 16 samples it is a little better than the RME PCI interface (32 samples min only on the PCI buss audio interface for some reason) on my PC machine.  I am about to test an RME Fireface at 16 samples both for instrument and audio latency.  (For some reason 16 samples shows up for the FF800 on the Mac. This may be a MAC/thunderbolt/Firewire 800 thing rather than an interface thing)
 
You can use dropout protection and LLM mode at the same time.  The audio side is achieving some amazing LL figures.  Good for jamming over large complex session playing back.
 
Another use is for live recording.  I did a large multitrack session recently with a band in a room with a PA.  (One of my fave approaches to recording)  Every input signal came direct to the audio interfaces.  (mics and DI's) Everyone hears the PA.
 
I used a thunderbolt interface with the LLM mode and was achieving instant response from the PA buses while tracking and monitoring purely through the software.  I was able to set up multiple headphone mixes and things even with effects and still have the PA buses with no perceived delay of any sort.  (Mind you Dropout Protection not needed because there was nothing playing back!) The PA was doing a lot.  Vocals (foldback), keyboards and acoustic guitars fitted with pickups, electric violin, all at once.  If you mic everything else carefully and choose the mics well, you will barely hear the PA in the spill on the close mic'd tracks.