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2016/01/05 18:54:23 (permalink)

Studio One

Hope posting about another DAW is not mutiny!  Curious who has tried out Studio One (I have Artist -2 version) and some thoughts on it. I recently got it after purchasing a PreSonus interface and maybe I am too easily impressed - but this is surprisingly nice with respect to appearance, work flow, audio quality, presets, etc. It may give others a pretty good race. Not saying a conversion is in the works, but it is worth some kuddos.  Right out of the shoot, the singer/songwriter project template gave me some fx / presets that sounded fantastic with recording my acoustic guitar....  
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 19:08:55 (permalink)
I have S.O.V3 Pro. I've only played with it a little (the same fior Reaper 5.0).
 
I have not recorded anything with it yet just getting a handle on the "mixing" aspects first. The arranger functionality has me intrigued.
 
I bought a one month $15 groove3 pass so that I can go through the S.O.V3 tuts before I really dive in. That was cheaper than paying $48 to own the series. I doubt I need to own the series.
 
I never expect to convert from SONAR but will use all my other DAWs, including Mixbus3, depending on need. 
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 20:02:25 (permalink)
I use Studio One on my Macbook for mobile recording.  It's good, but I much prefer Sonar (which is in my studio)

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 20:08:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/01/06 07:56:26
The grass is always greener, when tightly rolled.

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 20:22:47 (permalink)
Its a very good mastering app. I have S1 3 professional. There are lots of things to like about it. Sonar remains my goto DAW. I don't see that changing at anytime. 

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 21:10:36 (permalink)
I also have Mixbus 3 which has some some features - I wish it would display larger.... Anyway Sonar is still my go-to even though I still have the ancient X1 Producer but I will catch up..!
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/05 23:26:12 (permalink)
Not many DAWs I don't have. S1Pro V3 is a nice all round program but Sonar remains my go to.

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 02:18:49 (permalink)
Imho has some nice features but midi (quantize specifically)  seems to not be as intuitive and smooth as Sonar. I have a couple of versions of Studio One on my system, the one that came free with the Presonus hardware purchase and a free upgrade that was given to me shortly after that, a few years ago. The most attractive thing in the most recent version (Studio One 3)that is an enticing incentive is the Scratch Pad and Arranger Track. As for using your third party non presonus plugins in the base version, forget about it, thats a no go. Just my thoughts.
For me Sonar is an easy and obvious choice, in comparison. Depends on your needs and workflow of course.
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 09:07:10 (permalink)
I use a PreSonus 24 channel board and record into my Macbook live. But sonar is in my studio.  Very easy to transfer wav files.  I do think it has great mastering and cd redbook capabilities.



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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 09:29:27 (permalink)
Several years ago I got a version of it when they had a REALLY cheap sale on. I remember playing with it but not really experimenting too much. Might be time to try and dig it back out.

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 12:22:01 (permalink)
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I also have Mixbus 3 which has some some features - I wish it would display larger.... 


Did you use the font scaling in the preferences? Worked really well for me. And the latest interim release offered up some more clarity on the text and controls.
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 13:05:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/01/06 13:39:47
I gave it a go at one time. There were a few things they got right (e.g. automation) but it didn't ever click with me. Same with Reaper. If I was to jump ship, I'd most likely go with Tracktion, which ain't the wimpy program you got with your interface 10 years ago. It's been exploding with development since its author regained control of it (version 7 will be announced at NAMM). 
 
But once you realize that all DAWs pretty much do the same thing, that you can make great records with any of them, you'll ultimately conclude that it make sense to stick with the one you're most comfortable with. The DAW, after all, is just a tool and ideally should be transparent to your music-creation process.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 17:28:40 (permalink)
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The DAW, after all, is just a tool and ideally should be transparent to your music-creation process.


Except many (upstairs) gripe about workflow. Isn't that what ostensibly sets one DAW apart from the others (on an individual user basis)?
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 18:35:39 (permalink)
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Except many (upstairs) gripe about workflow. Isn't that what ostensibly sets one DAW apart from the others (on an individual user basis)?

I never use the word "workflow". That makes it sound like some assembly line job where an efficiency expert stands over you with a stopwatch and a clipboard. This isn't work!
 
(To those who do it as a full-time profession: before you call it "work" look around you - there are folks out there slaving away at real work. You sit in a comfy chair in an air-conditioned room with subdued lighting, and at the end of the day the fruit of your labor is not a bucket of coal or somebody else's clean toilet, it's something that enriches the world.)


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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 18:44:19 (permalink)
I never had such stress and pressure as i had when i worked with sony bmg for a rnb singer whom i went platnum with here ... 6 month of hell lol don t think it s alwayz fun .... I m agree with you and not at the same time ;)
Teaching is fun , i really don t get it like job even if i m fuked after 5 hours of loud speach ...

Back to op subject .... I just asked the french distributer for a copy , i think its getting closer to maturity ....still screensets , x ray are missing , i don t if we can create templates and if we can create plugins menu layouts ....but i will give it a go ...

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 19:05:46 (permalink)
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Except many (upstairs) gripe about workflow. Isn't that what ostensibly sets one DAW apart from the others (on an individual user basis)?

I never use the word "workflow". That makes it sound like some assembly line job where an efficiency expert stands over you with a stopwatch and a clipboard. This isn't work!

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/06 19:54:48 (permalink)
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Except many (upstairs) gripe about workflow. Isn't that what ostensibly sets one DAW apart from the others (on an individual user basis)?

I never use the word "workflow". That makes it sound like some assembly line job where an efficiency expert stands over you with a stopwatch and a clipboard. This isn't work!
 
(To those who do it as a full-time profession: before you call it "work" look around you - there are folks out there slaving away at real work. You sit in a comfy chair in an air-conditioned room with subdued lighting, and at the end of the day the fruit of your labor is not a bucket of coal or somebody else's clean toilet, it's something that enriches the world.)


Its can be fun on occasion and fairly satisfying, but if you are doing it a lot....it gets just as frustrating, uninspiring, boring as another job, no matter what tools you have.
 
Working with spreadsheets all day developing solutions and analyzing data you could say the same thing....comfy chair air-conditioned room with subdued lighting.....   
 
If you are making money or not with the tools, workflow is a fine term to use for it.  Time is valuable, either you could be spending it doing something else, or accomplish more in that same time.  
 
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 12:06:00 (permalink)
Clean toilets don't enrich your world?

Yes, they most certainly do. But I'm glad I don't do it for a living.
 
I had an epiphany many years ago. I was returning home from a trade show and pushing a stack of anvil cases on a hand truck across the parking lot at the Sky Harbor airport in Phoenix. I had a suit and tie on and it was 110 degrees. I was tired and sweating profusely and feeling sorry for myself.
 
But then I looked up and saw a roofing crew working atop the parking garage in those hellish conditions, and I thought to myself "no matter how bad I've got it, at least I'm not a roofer".
 
I, too, sit in a comfy chair. Most of my work happens inside my head, figuring out how to make imaginary things look real. I solve problems on the phone, often dealing with clueless users and self-proclaimed computer experts named Jason (they're all named Jason, or Brett and they all have tattoos). At the end of the day, my back aches and my eyesight's blurry.
 
But I still maintain it isn't work.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 12:17:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2016/01/07 15:10:59
Comfy chairs rawk!!

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 15:09:51 (permalink)
Je suis un roofer 

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 21:02:50 (permalink)
I have S1x3Pro and while it has a few things I wish sonar had, sonar overwhelmingly has more important things (to me) that Studio One doesn't...
 
Track templates is huge... Studio one is worthless in this regard...while there is a clugy work around that helps a bit with setups, Sonar's is soooo powerful, intuitive, complete and quick that this alone keeps my songwriting right here.  I have dozens of setups I can rapidly add in seconds when working on an idea... and every new setup or portion of one that I like is so easy to save as a template so I never again have to spend time manually redoing things.
 
I spent some time with S1 but found that every time I wanted to do something that is just quick and easy with SPlat I'd be totally lost and spent way too much time trying to figure out how I might be able to do it on Studio.
 
Thus, it sits on my rig...Sonar works with my brain...and my whole point is intuitive songwriting; S1 gets in the way of that.
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 23:18:09 (permalink)
Getting back on track here - I have Studio One 2 Pro after upgrading a few steps at a time from Artist that I got with my StudioLive 16.4.2 mixer.
 
I do believe that you can download a trial of their full version and see if you like it.
 
If you do mostly audio, it may be for you, as it boasts allowing you to get things done fairly quickly amid their 'no bloat' slogans.
 
But what ultimately sent me elsewhere was the lack of MIDI options and tools and even more so - their purposely ignoring the repeated requests of us MIDI users who were already in their loyal customer base.
A good number of us got fed up with waiting for them to listen to us and simply moved on after each update and version kept letting us down.
 
They didn't seem to care. At that time, they were doing really well, and a few 'drifters' didn't matter I guess.
 
I do a lot of MIDI and I find Cubase to suit me most. So I drifted away from both Sonar and Studio One and bought Cubase which, for me, has every possible thing I'll ever need in it - and more.
 
As for posting about another DAW here,
 
'Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk music software'
 
^^^^^ This is the subtitle of the section that you're in, so you can 'lift the lid, pop your head safely up and come out of the garbage can now'. 
 



 
 
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/07 23:27:13 (permalink)
I'm also still most familiar with Sonar and that seems to be my comfort zone but I wish it had the rock solid stable engines that Studio one has and some of the features like Scratch Pad and Arranger Track.
 
I notice less PluginDelay and midi timing issues in SO3 than I do in Sonar. Too bad it is such a pita to import recorded midi from SO3 directly into Sonar due to the midi implementation differences.

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/08 02:55:33 (permalink)
One area in which S1 excels is the built-in effects suite.  Sonar has some good stock plugins, no doubt, but S1's are way ahead IMHO, both in their consistently pleasant look & feel as well as sound quality.
 
If Cake ever comes out with channel strips as good as the new modeled ones available for S1 (VT1 and RC500, both given away recently in a PureMix promo), that'll attract some serious attention.  Those things are impressive.
 
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/08 03:24:26 (permalink)
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Except many (upstairs) gripe about workflow. Isn't that what ostensibly sets one DAW apart from the others (on an individual user basis)?

I never use the word "workflow". That makes it sound like some assembly line job where an efficiency expert stands over you with a stopwatch and a clipboard.
I have never really understood some of the workflow gripes like "it takes two clicks, it would be much faster with one." Maybe its just me but in most cases the extra time is insignificant when put up against the "thinking time".

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Re: Studio One 2016/01/08 04:05:48 (permalink)
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...If you do mostly audio, it may be for you, as it boasts allowing you to get things done fairly quickly amid their 'no bloat' slogans.
 
But what ultimately sent me elsewhere was the lack of MIDI options and tools and even more so - their purposely ignoring the repeated requests of us MIDI users who were already in their loyal customer base.
A good number of us got fed up with waiting for them to listen to us and simply moved on after each update and version kept letting us down.
 
They didn't seem to care. At that time, they were doing really well, and a few 'drifters' didn't matter I guess.
 



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Re: Studio One 2016/01/11 04:47:03 (permalink)
Studio One v3 addresses a lot of the MIDI shortcomings of v2 (although neither Studio One nor Sonar yet has anything like Cubase's Input Transformer and Logical Editor, features which have been in-place since the 80's).  On the flip side, it seems to have joined the ranks of DAWs which appear to be converging towards some future singularity of infinite bundled loops and samples.  Initially, I wasn't all that keen on the new 'cool' interface (prefering v2's), but it's grown on me over time, like litchen perhaps.
 
I switched to Studio One from Sonar because it addressed all of the issues which were frustrating me and preventing me from enjoying Sonar.  Both are excellent programs and represent astounding value for money.  I personally find Studio One to be more stable and robust and prefer the more minimalist interface.  
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/11 06:27:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2016/01/11 15:15:11
Sounds interesting.

One of the things I find most interesting is how many people don't do mobile recording with Windows. Even veteran users of Sonar are avoiding it. I have to presume that the problem is stability in Windows for real-time low-latency work when it matters. I have had problems for years.

I think Sonar's biggest shortcoming is that it runs on Windows only. Microsoft is just not interested in making a decent OS for this market. I've been a loyal Sonar user for a long time, but I too avoid it when making mobile recordings.

I want to emphasize that I do mean Windows not Sonar. When making mobile recordings I use DigiCheck and TotalMix by RME.
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/11 08:19:13 (permalink)
Per Bit's post, I took a look at Traktion over the weekend, and it does some cool things in a very unique way. Automation seems to be its biggest weakness at this point, but who know what v7 will bring.
 
I demoed Reaper a year ago when I was having issues with Sonar, but failed to grok it's midi capabilities. Then Platinum was announced and I signed on for another year. I pulled Reaper back up over the weekend due to another round of simply annoying issues with Sonar and spent 8 hours reading and watching tutorials and really getting a handle on what it can do. I really think they've built something special. Out of the box, Reaper kind of blows, but once you configure the menus and toolbar and start customizing actions, you can get it to work like any DAW you want. And darned if it ain't stable...like a rock.
 
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Re: Studio One 2016/01/11 12:16:28 (permalink)
I bought Studio One 3 as an alternative to Cubase and the lack of a drum editor/drum maps is a non starter to me.  After using Cubase's Drum Editor since the Atari days, it is hard for me to work in Studio One with MIDI drums.
 
 
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