CedricM
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Studio One or Cubase ?
Both Presonus and Steinberg offer a special crossgrade price for their DAW for Sonar Platinum users.
Both Presonus and Yamaha are strong companies so risk of shutting down seems limited.
The offers are however time limited, especially for Cubase, and I have very little time to test both daws.
For those who know them, which is the best / what are the main strengths / weaknesses of both products?
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 00:15:37
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I talked to my sales rep at Sweetwater today and he didn't tell me about any crossgrade deal for Studio One.
can you tell me more?
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CedricM
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 00:21:06
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 00:37:11
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I'm considering both. If Cubase had ARA I would immediately jump on it.
I may still go with Cubase as it appears to have very deep midi integration, and has a great pedigree.
My experience with presonus hardware was horrific.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 00:59:39
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Does the Cubase 9.5 Pro trial really require the USB dongle? I want to try both Cubase and Studio One before I decide.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 01:44:39
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Cubase Pro demo does require a usb dongle. You can try the Elements version without a dongle though, but just remember that it's a completely stripped out version of Pro when you try it. Cubase has the best pedigree. It has been used by many pros since the 80's. It has tones of features that go very deep both on the audio and midi side, compared to Studio One which is sleek and light because it is young and lacking in wisdom in comparison. Studio One is definitely one to look out for in the future because it has come a long way very fast. If you don't need much and want something simple with a simple workflow, then Studio One will suit you, but if you need a pro daw that can do all you need to do without you running into brick walls then Cubase is your best option. Greg from Steinberg held a live Q & A video event for Sonar users thinking of moving to Cubase yesterday. It's well worth a watch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdr7YZCcgw
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 02:31:08
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While it's true that Cubase is used by tons of pros around the world, I haven't yet run into any "brick walls" when using Studio One. Are you referring to anything specific?
One thing bugged me about Cubase when I looked at it a few years back: a hard limit of 6 or 8 plugins allowed per track. Has that changed? I like plugins.
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CedricM
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 02:42:59
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It seems to have gone from 8 to 16 plugins per track.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 02:45:39
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NB Not sure why this thread was moved here by a Karin, as it concerns specifically only the users of Sonar Platinum.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 05:03:59
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Cubase had a limit of 8 plugins per track but it's been increased to 16 now. I can't imagine using any more than 8 at the very most!
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 08:59:17
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 09:08:47
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There's been lots of discussion on the relative merits of both of these products. My take on the concensus is that neither is a true replacement for Sonar but that either will be a good place to start your journey assuming you are prepared to make some changes.
If you look at the comments you will see that what one person calls feature rich is another's bloat. That is to say it all depends.
I chose based on a few things that mattered to me. Only time I will tell if I made the right choice. However things turn out I'm not expecting either to suddenly become more like Sonar to keep me happy. I am becoming an Ex Sonar user.
For context I had planned to continue with Sonar but changed my mind based on the cross grade offers. Unfortunately Sonar is no longer a competitor so while I am sure that the others will continue to try and win over Sonar users in the months ahead I'm not expecting the commercial offers to be as attractive.
My decision to change was a financial one the product choice was based on the features and functions that matter to me.
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CedricM
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 09:17:22
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anydmusic
My decision to change was a financial one the product choice was based on the features and functions that matter to me.
Which did you choose and what where the key factors in your decision ?
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 09:30:17
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CedricM
I found this comparison:
https://www.slant.co/versus/6425/6433/~cubase_vs_studio-one
"The Studio One DAW doesn't expect users to deal with a lot of windows, answer questions, or use the mouse excessively. This DAW is known for lettings users be creative without getting in the way." This kind of comment sums it up. Easy to use can mean limited control...
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 09:57:09
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CedricM
anydmusic
My decision to change was a financial one the product choice was based on the features and functions that matter to me.
Which did you choose and what where the key factors in your decision ?
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 10:52:13
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In my opinion, you really can't go wrong with either one. My preference is Studio One. It's workflow (IMO) is second to none. However, I just picked up my second copy of Cubase (strictly for convenience, as I don't want to have to move the dongle from one workstation to the next).
Cubase is a very mature DAW. It's what I learned on. Still, I find it's approach to most things to be convoluted compared to Studio One. However, Cubase has closed the gap a bit with version 9.5, enough so that I plan on using it to create music for TV . I believe the new sampler track alone will be worth it.
For songwriting/arranging/recording, Studio One has no competition. Just my opinion.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 11:00:08
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I chose Cubase because it has the features I need, but having downloaded the demo and discovered that the GUI is very laggy on my system for some reason, I'm back to square one again now. Unless I can find a fix for that I might have to plump for Studio One. I have looked high and low, but I can tell you all with complete certainty that there simply is no replacement for Sonar. It was unique and Gibson are idiots. I'm actually starting to think of going hybrid and using Mixbus which I got last summer + a midi scoring tool like Overture. In the meantime, I shall plod on with Sonar. There no panic.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 11:09:54
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35mm
I chose Cubase because it has the features I need, but having downloaded the demo and discovered that the GUI is very laggy on my system for some reason, I'm back to square one again now. Unless I can find a fix for that I might have to plump for Studio One. I have looked high and low, but I can tell you all with complete certainty that there simply is no replacement for Sonar. It was unique and Gibson are idiots. I'm actually starting to think of going hybrid and using Mixbus which I got last summer + a midi scoring tool like Overture. In the meantime, I shall plod on with Sonar. There no panic.
Hey 35mm, When I switched from Cubase to Sonar years ago, I felt the same way. Everything was completely foreign to me. Sonar also lacked some very fundamental features at that time (compared to Cubase). As I stumbled my way through though, things became much easier. It's mostly a matter of adjusting to a new way of doing the same things.. As far as the problems you are experiencing with the GUI, I haven't a clue. Cubase is very efficient on my machine thus far.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 13:14:14
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Hey 35mm,
When I switched from Cubase to Sonar years ago, I felt the same way. Everything was completely foreign to me. Sonar also lacked some very fundamental features at that time (compared to Cubase). As I stumbled my way through though, things became much easier. It's mostly a matter of adjusting to a new way of doing the same things..
As far as the problems you are experiencing with the GUI, I haven't a clue. Cubase is very efficient on my machine thus far.
To be honest I have never had much luck with Cubase. I first used it in the late 80's on an Atari ST but had problems with it so I changed to C-lab Notator and was happy with that for many years. Then later I got Cubase again in the early 2000's, but again I was having problems with it then - it was buggy and unstable. So then I gave Cakewalk a try and have been here ever since. Each time I have chosen Cubase based on some great features it has, but am always let down by some other issue. I think it's just not meant to happen.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 13:41:48
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35mm
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Hey 35mm,
When I switched from Cubase to Sonar years ago, I felt the same way. Everything was completely foreign to me. Sonar also lacked some very fundamental features at that time (compared to Cubase). As I stumbled my way through though, things became much easier. It's mostly a matter of adjusting to a new way of doing the same things..
As far as the problems you are experiencing with the GUI, I haven't a clue. Cubase is very efficient on my machine thus far.
To be honest I have never had much luck with Cubase. I first used it in the late 80's on an Atari ST but had problems with it so I changed to C-lab Notator and was happy with that for many years. Then later I got Cubase again in the early 2000's, but again I was having problems with it then - it was buggy and unstable. So then I gave Cakewalk a try and have been here ever since. Each time I have chosen Cubase based on some great features it has, but am always let down by some other issue. I think it's just not meant to happen.
Hmmm. My experience was pretty much the opposite. I was still doing 8-track tape in the 80's, with my buddy using something on a Mac. Don't recall what it was. Cubase was always stable for me though, when I eventually got into the whole 'computer recording' thing in the late 90's. When I switched to Sonar, well... Man, I don't want to ruffle a bunch of feathers here, but Sonar was the most buggy DAW I had ever used. After X1, I jumped ship (ironically, back to Cubase). IMO, X1 killed Cakewalk. It was a step in the right direction, but a step taken way before it was ready for prime time. I don't think Sonar ever really recovered from that.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 13:54:23
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One certainty with software is what's stable for one user is unstable for another.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 14:12:16
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Yep one thing for sure , sonar was unique , another one also is that it hads room for improvement for becoming the best daw period ....sole features we have since 2 decades are onlybimplemented now on other daws , this meant a lot about who designed it it ...and the philosophy behind , it tried to become like others while it was already ahead ...
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 16:22:42
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holy crap!! that's a lot of information thank you all. i just talked to my guy at Sweetwater and they can do the crossgrade from sonar to studio one.
taking in all you guys said has my freak out meter come out of the red back down to acceptable level.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 19:14:26
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anydmusic
There's been lots of discussion on the relative merits of both of these products. My take on the concensus is that neither is a true replacement for Sonar but that either will be a good place to start your journey assuming you are prepared to make some changes.
If you look at the comments you will see that what one person calls feature rich is another's bloat. That is to say it all depends.
I chose based on a few things that mattered to me. Only time I will tell if I made the right choice. However things turn out I'm not expecting either to suddenly become more like Sonar to keep me happy. I am becoming an Ex Sonar user.
For context I had planned to continue with Sonar but changed my mind based on the cross grade offers. Unfortunately Sonar is no longer a competitor so while I am sure that the others will continue to try and win over Sonar users in the months ahead I'm not expecting the commercial offers to be as attractive.
My decision to change was a financial one the product choice was based on the features and functions that matter to me.
It seems inaccurate to use the term "bloat" just because a package has features that individual may never use. Each to find what features desired (with room to grow as a wise choice) and make a purchase accordingly. But not disparage others untruthfully. If want to, list each example of "bloat", which would be helpful. Other than that just seems a waste of time.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 19:44:11
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Joe_A
It seems inaccurate to use the term "bloat" just because a package has features that individual may never use. Each to find what features desired (with room to grow as a wise choice) and make a purchase accordingly. But not disparage others untruthfully.
Don't you know how things work in online forums? Each of us must choose a side. Then we take turns insulting each other.  Seriously, S1 and Cubase are both perfectly good DAWs, used by thousands of music makers every day. S1 has a freely downloadable 30-day demo which will let you get a feel for how its suits your particular taste and workflow. It would be great if the latest version of Cubase could similarly be demoed without having to buy a dongle, but there are lots of descriptions, feature lists, videos, etc. -- this may be enough to let you know whether it's right for you. One thing is apparent, given the history: Cubase is the more expensive proposition. The only upgrade Presonus has charged for since I've used it (bought in 2013) is the major one from v2 to v3, and I paid less than $100 for that during a sale. All subsequent updates up to the current version 3.5.x have been free, with lots of nice features added. One unique S1 feature I haven't seen mentioned here is the "Mix FX" plugin slot for bus tracks. It's an insert where special plugins go that affect multiple tracks at once, reaching down into the mix engine to achieve things that normal plugins can't do. Very interesting feature, with lots of potential. Softube's TAPE plugin and PreSonus' own console emulators are currently the only plugins that can be used at Mix FX inserts, but more are coming. Cheers, Eddie
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 20:27:29
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anydmusic
There's been lots of discussion on the relative merits of both of these products. My take on the concensus is that neither is a true replacement for Sonar but that either will be a good place to start your journey assuming you are prepared to make some changes.
If you look at the comments you will see that what one person calls feature rich is another's bloat. That is to say it all depends.
I chose based on a few things that mattered to me. Only time I will tell if I made the right choice. However things turn out I'm not expecting either to suddenly become more like Sonar to keep me happy. I am becoming an Ex Sonar user.
For context I had planned to continue with Sonar but changed my mind based on the cross grade offers. Unfortunately Sonar is no longer a competitor so while I am sure that the others will continue to try and win over Sonar users in the months ahead I'm not expecting the commercial offers to be as attractive.
My decision to change was a financial one the product choice was based on the features and functions that matter to me.
It seems inaccurate to use the term "bloat" just because a package has features that individual may never use. Each to find what features desired (with room to grow as a wise choice) and make a purchase accordingly. But not disparage others untruthfully. If want to, list each example of "bloat", which would be helpful. Other than that just seems a waste of time.
Hi Joe Looks like you did not read what I said.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 20:32:40
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Joe_A
It seems inaccurate to use the term "bloat" just because a package has features that individual may never use. Each to find what features desired (with room to grow as a wise choice) and make a purchase accordingly. But not disparage others untruthfully.
Don't you know how things work in online forums? Each of us must choose a side. Then we take turns insulting each other.
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One thing is apparent, given the history: Cubase is the more expensive proposition.
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Agree that Cubase is the expensive option but cheaper for me than buying something else then ending up buying Cubase which for me seemed like a real possibility. Still reckon either will work for most people though.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 20:44:26
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@aEddie;
Ahh, but my comment wasn't directed at you. Note each time I mentioned "one" does this/that, and "it seems", not that you are a bad, bad person 😊.
But I agree with you...this is a feisty forum. Things do go entertainingly off the rails sometimes.
Edit: PS I see what spell check did to me, so I see your point.
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 21:30:03
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I didn't think you were directing comments at me, Joe_A. I was just generally observing that some folks were already starting to get fanboyish about their choice of DAW. Carry on!
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Re: Studio One or Cubase ?
2017/11/30 21:56:12
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As yet I'm undecided. S1 or Cubase my likely choices..at this time. Heck, I might go PT...no, 99% no on that.
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