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2012/07/12 20:38:32 (permalink)

"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog!

I have no idea how a search term I entered returned some works by Twelfth Night, but I'm glad it did!  Now I'm trying to find more from them (I just picked up Collectors Item which is a compilation).  Another 80's "Neo-Prog" band apparently, however I had never heard of them nor do I recall them being mentioned here (and I have ALL the bands mentioned here tucked away in a file for me to check out as I can! ).
 
So, without further a-doo (or doo doo), here's a few tracks by them:  Take A Look, The Collector and Sequences
 
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/12 20:47:13 (permalink)
    I've heard the name, but not much else.  I check them out in a bit.  

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 04:08:45 (permalink)
    Very Marillion-esque.

     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 09:29:42 (permalink)
    Hi,

    It was an interesting band, although I have to admit I did not find them that great then, but then, I did not enjoy Fish's Marillion then either, at the time.

    Listening to it today, it comes off as interesting with some rather nice changes and things done. It is rather poetic, in its own way, although I did not think that the lyrics themselves were that great or interesting at the time.

    When one listens to it today, think of the quantity of the music around, that is the same ... and that 25 years ago, there were people that were trying to do something different ... and while some of it was inspired by the PG/Genesis thing, in many ways, they were a lot better and more interesting than we thought ... but got lost in the middle of everything else.

    And now ... for an amazing experience in music ... go put on some Gryphon!

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 10:16:32 (permalink)
    Gryphon?  Great.  Another one to add to the list...  In researching Twelfth Night, they were commonly mentioned along with Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, Pallas and Australis.  And I only knew about one of those before (Marillion).

    This is kind of a fun journey!
     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 10:33:48 (permalink)
     Never heard of them either. Their sound seems very similar to other groups of that time. Thanks for mentioning them.

     I have been looking into Oceana the new Smashing Pumpkins album and Blunderbuss by Jack White. Check those out too!

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 10:52:56 (permalink)
    Nice find, Craig. Great hi-hats in "Take a Look".


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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 11:16:37 (permalink)
    Hi,

    Gryphon, is a classically minded unit ... that happened to have created music for a Shakespeare Production by the National Theater in England. I think the play was "Twelve Night", by the way ... but will ahve to check on that.

    The music for it came out in the album "Midnight Mushrumps" (not midnight musharses!" ... and it is an instrumental band.

    There are a couple of other bands at the time, that kinda followed that Genesis/Yes mold some. I can think of "Druid", "Fruup", "Shelley", and a few others, but ... by that time, I was already much more into the European and International scene than I was into the English or American scenes that were getting boring and repetitive, and not even close to the others in experiments and creativity!

    "Fruup" was an intersting band, but I think what hurt them is that they never got to a studio to have help to clean up their material, so in some of the albums, it sounds really  disjointed, and badly mixed, almost like your very first garage tapes!

    The main difference between FISH and the rest of these, including Peter Gabriel? ... FISH was an actor and is still acting ... PG still thinks of himself as some kind of famous this or that ... which always made me think that Marillion's 1st albums were much more honest about the lyrics and acting, than PG ever was ... with the exception of  The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/13 11:40:51 (permalink)
    Every time I click a YouTube link I end up frittering away an hour or so chasing links. Check out these YouTube compilations of "top N prog rock albums". It was fun going through the lists and noting which ones I don't have. And a few I'd never head of!

    Top 15 Prog Albums: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZT_A_UqUI0&feature=related


    Top 12 of 2011: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqw7exBxIU&feature=related
    (I found it encouraging that there were any qualifying recent albums at all, but it appears prog rock is still alive and well, even if the line between prog rock and metal is a little blurry - I guess one has synthesizers and drum solos, the other doesn't)

    Top 10 prog rock bands: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzZFja32aFU&feature=related
    (Surprising how many lists include Mike Oldfield, who's great but I never considered "prog")

    Top 30 best prog songs (partial): 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNcZP5SLoIg&feature=related

    Top 50 prog songs: 
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8uPprR2Msk&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaEfL3KrCFQ&feature=relmfu


    BTW, can anybody explain the term "progressive house"? What, exactly, makes it "progressive"?






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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 00:14:18 (permalink)
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    BTW, can anybody explain the term "progressive house"? What, exactly, makes it "progressive"?

    The ability of the ones making the noise to keep finding new places to live after being kicked out for being loud and useless?

     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 00:14:31 (permalink)
    Another great Prog band from the 70's rarely heard of here in the states was Maxophone. I think they were an Italian classical based with french horns to boot. Right up there with PFM. I remember Gryphon records " Reds queen to gryphons 3 was one of my favorites. www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1x58IH5DQ8

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 01:22:06 (permalink)
    the darkness lives !!!!

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 02:27:35 (permalink)
    Boy have I been having fun lately finding all these new, wonderful bands to listen to!  The best thing about discovering bands that have been around for a while is that there's MORE out there.  When you run into a hot, new band they usually only have one album out so you have to wait to get another fix, but not with these prog bands I'm just now encountering! 

    All I can say is...


     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 03:29:29 (permalink)
    Steve Rothery from Marillion has a side project called The Wishing Tree, a little more straight ahead, but nice stuff

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3d08zH3mcw

     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 03:44:18 (permalink)
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    Gryphon?  Great.  Another one to add to the list...  In researching Twelfth Night, they were commonly mentioned along with Marillion, Pendragon, IQ, Pallas and Sentient Genus.  And I only knew about one of those before (Marillion).

    This is kind of a fun journey!
     

    Pallas were another Scottish band who made one superb album back in the 80's called "The Sentinel"


    It told the story of the Rise & Fall of Atlantis and back in the day (pre-cd), you could only get the full story from the original LP, a B side of the single "Arrive Alive" and a 12", East West


    when it was all ported over to CD, the engineering team made an absolute hash of the original drum sound so that every track was treated to an awful slapback echo which, for me, destroyed the vibe of the entire album.


    I was luck to see them live twice, thy went through a couple of personnel changes and never, in my opinion, re-created the magic of their earlier efforts.

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 04:46:35 (permalink)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nClAGN5hIM this is one band i got into recently - Overhead, from Finland. www.youtube.com/watch?v=faMl5AmIlkU

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 05:19:16 (permalink)
    Here is a bunch of interrelated artists making Prog today, they are worth checking out: Karnataka, The Reasoning, Panic Room, Mostly Autumn, Heather Findley.

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 05:37:17 (permalink)
    Glyn - here's another related band to Mostly Autumn - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAolAc59gN8 (Stolen Earth)

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 10:58:05 (permalink)
    The best thing about discovering bands that have been around for a while is that there's MORE out there.

    For an impoverished soul such as myself, the best thing is you can buy the CDs second-hand for cheap. 

    Most of the time, anyway. Some of the more obscure albums were never put onto CD, or are only available as an expensive import. 

    And don't forget the one-hit-wonders (e.g. Focus, Golden Earring, Kansas, Argent, Uriah Heep) that everyone's heard of but whose most interesting material never saw the Top 40.

    Although maybe not "prog", I have to also plug one of the best concept albums of the 1970's (I consider it in the same league with Dark Side of the Moon): "Hope" by Klaatu.


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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 11:05:56 (permalink)
    Ozric Tentacles were an awesome prog rock band, of which Eat Static came out of. The mastery these guys had of analogue synths I've never heard anyone match

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 11:24:14 (permalink)
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    Ozric Tentacles were an awesome prog rock band, of which Eat Static came out of. The mastery these guys had of analogue synths I've never heard anyone match

    I love ozric but they sound a lot like Steve hillage era gong on instruMentals

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 12:11:38 (permalink)
    Some of their stuff I like, but when they completly rock out, it's too much from me.

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 13:11:40 (permalink)
    bitflipperBTW, can anybody explain the term "progressive house"? What, exactly, makes it "progressive"?

     
    This is a rather hassle-some thing that I have had a serious issue with at the Progressive Archives board ... to the point where I am no longer interested in discussing music with little boys that do not think that music exists in other parts of the world, and that most musicians are too stupid to write anything except what they are told can be done, or "must" be done, to make this "romantic", "baroque", bs, or "progressive"
     
    There is a good side to it ... it helps identify a style ... but a "style" is not a "process" ... thus, musicologists do not like to use "styles" as a definition.
     
    All in all, most "progressive" sites, use the bizarre things like ... jagged guitar sounds and licks, odd time changes and references ... however ... when you listen to half the stuff that they consider progressive, the format is the same as a sonata format, or the easiest, and the one format that you are first taught in school ... because you do not need to know music a whole lot to understand it!
     
    The other bad part, is that some of the progressive definitions are messed up ... like ... this band uses these sound effects and they are "metal-prog" like Dream Theater, let's say ... and that is bizarre ... if you unplug the band ... you got what? ... at least with DT, you have a piece of music, but most others, you don't!
     
    All in all, what has become known as "progressive" was a part of the 60's and early 70's and it was a "reaction" to the media blowup with television, that woke up half the world to what the other half was doing. It's really hard for me to accept someone calling "ITCOTCK" a progressive album, but they do not know, or discuss the lyrics ... when one piece is about the loudness and the psychotic noise  ... like bombs going off by the IRA or in VietNam ... or Paris ... and you speaking to the wind, and it meaning nothing because you can not hear it, and neither can anyone else ... these ...a re still true today, and to me that is the totality of the "progessive" and its very definition.
     
    I like it when they call ELP progressive, and then they can not discuss lyrics, and "The Endless Enigma" is another version of the original Greg Lake speaking the words that tomorrow he will be crying ... but this time he's pist and saying ... don't tell me lies ... mf'r ... and everyone thinks the music is progressive but the lyrics don't matter ... it's just another rock song.
     
    Too much of music, is just a song ... the issue is, how strong are you to make it more than just a song ... it's an anthem ... for a period of time, and this is the reason why Jimi playing the anthem is the ultimate symbol for rock and roll, that brought "progressive" to the front, and killed on the same night ... it was played infront of garbage, and no one was paying attention ... and even today ... we treat music just like another song ... it doesn't mean anything to anyone ... it's all good clean fun and another beat-off in the bathroom!
     
    Progressive ... deserves its claim, and it's time and place ... but it will not happen without the arts that also took it there, which the majority of progressive groups in the Internet are afraid to check out and discuss ... because that would rencer their definition stupid and totally off base, and off key!
     
    It's hard to tell people that you can take one play in London (Peter Brook's Marat/Sade) and that you will find words from that play in at least 10 of the best known progressive bands out there ... during that time ... but it doesn't mean anything? ... I guess because musicians are silly, stupid and bizarre and do not enjoy movies, theater, literature and anything else?


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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 14:20:26 (permalink)
    I like my reply better.

     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 14:49:18 (permalink)
    Hi,

    Here's my list ... no links ... I'm at work. I list these, because these folks defy description half the time, and you can not pigeonhole them in anything ... to me, that is "progressive" ... and some of the most exciting and expressive music ever done.

    -- Amon Duul 2 - all the way to "Vive La Trance"

    -- Can - all the way to "Landed". Specially dig the transitions in the long cut "Bel Air" and then the side 2 of "Soon Over Babbalooma" ... absolutely soft, astounding and so beautifully done.

    -- Gentle Giant -- All the way to "Freehand". Not one of my favorite bands, but the musicianship here is insane ... and Gary Green has stated that nothing was composed and most of it, they just ... did!

    -- Frank Zappa -- You know this one, but he is an acquired taste, but his musicianship is pretty much ... second to none.

    -- Djam Karet -- when you compare this band to King Crimson's first 5 albums, DK is far better and more interesting and expressive. Maybe one day ... someone will sit through "Dark Clouds, No Rain" ... and realize that KC is just another rock band for radio!

    -- Robert Fripp -- I do not consider, other than KC's 1st album, his band progressive, because they repeat themselves. But there are some nice things, and "Lark's Tongues in Aspic", "Red" and "Starless and Bible Black" are very nice and enjoyable, but they do not have the pizzaz that other folks have, and that Robert himself had with his experimentations, from Eno, to Cluster and to many others, that showed he was much more interesting ... than KC!

    The others, are not considered "progressive" per se, but they broke more barriers and boundaries than we can give them credit for.

    -- Incredible String Band - From the off kilter vocals to incredible vocal arrangements, no one can do this better than them. Sit down with "Earth Span" one of these days ... and admire, some incredible work and words.

    -- Alan Stivell - Tough one since he blends everything, and the kitchen sink in his music and you don't know if this is new age, classical, traditional, or ... rock plinn! ... or jazz plinn!

    -- Banco del Muttuo Soccorso - Less "familiar" in its style than most other bands, this one is more "eccentric" than PFM, and unusual in its compositional sense, but extremely well defined and the musicianship is outstanding. This is not "conventional" at all, even though it is very classically oriented in its approach, but strictly with rock instruments. Beautidully done, and the first album is a treat as is Darwin and "In a Last Supper".

    As a wise Guy once stated from his holy chapala ... none of the hits, none of the time ... prevents you from becoming just another turkey in the middle of all the other turkeys! 
      
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 15:49:46 (permalink)
    Continuing with Marillion side projects, here's DeeExpus with Mark Kelly on keys, liking this a lot;

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDo63P3gn_U&feature=relmfu

     
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 16:39:41 (permalink)
    i enjoyed Fish's '13th Star' solo album, James... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haKoEerFfwk is the title track

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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 16:56:07 (permalink)
    I liked the Twelfth Night stuff.  I'm looking forward to checking out some of the other bands.  May suggest Glass Hammer?

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    Rbh
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/14 17:47:28 (permalink)
    Happy the Man - The great( ken ) Scott produced their first 2 albums I think.
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    Re:"Stumbled" onto some really nice Prog! 2012/07/15 03:47:42 (permalink)
    Hi,

    For those keeping track...
    (Yes, I've been doing a lot of research tonight!)

    Fruupp (has two "p's" at the end), and
    Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (only has one "t" in "Mutuo")
    Heather Findlay ("ay" at the end)
    Can't find Shelley.

    HTH
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