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2015/10/30 21:30:57 (permalink)

Style dials "huge hit with customers"...

Interesting... I've probably missed a lot of threads about how great these plugins apparently are...
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/.../Rolling-Updates#start
 
Who uses them? Curious... Why do you like them?
Apparently you are all asking for more?
 
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 21:41:21 (permalink)
    I just tried a style dial for the first time a few days ago. I threw the "space" style dial on an acoustic guitar. It actually sounded pretty good.
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 21:44:02 (permalink)
    I wish there was one for "Talent".
     
     
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 21:44:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Vastman 2015/10/30 21:59:02
    Useful things to set quickly demo effects but I wouln't use them in final mix. GUI is oversized for ProChannel - one knob would fit well in smaller place.
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 22:27:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2015/10/31 12:07:43
    Yes it is included - Melodyne!!
     
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 22:33:50 (permalink)
    I used the Grit one to add a little distortion to  a bass track and it worked well. I don't really have a use for the other two yet.

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 22:47:42 (permalink)
    I find such things to be the equivalent of a blight on the face of humanity
    An insult to ones intelligence almost
     
    other than that they are probably ok
     
    I feel things like this will just give those out there who like to throw rocks at Sonar for not being 'Pro' etc, or for being pitched towards Ma and Pa Kettles bedroom productions more ammo/rocks to throw, not to mention copious amounts of grins and giggles.
     
    I think they're Great . . . 3 thumbs up!!!
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 23:27:55 (permalink)
    I bet you would never use them in your high quality multi million dollar mega studio would you richard- and neither would your numerous grammy winner clients...

     
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/30 23:32:34 (permalink)
    Is it documented exactly what they are under the hood?

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 00:15:34 (permalink)
    Time for this again.


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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 00:25:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby easyjoey 2015/11/03 08:49:32
    LOL!  I love one knob compressors like are on a lot of the digital mixers but I usually use the GUI to dial in the actual compression.  What is needed many times is better training and better skills with the tool , not a thousand tools. This is true in every occupation.  I love and am addicted to ...tools.  So like a collector I hoard new technology and audio gear.  That is secondary to the bottom line of finishing an audio or video project.
     
    So I would prefer a REALLY GOOD EQ, REALLY GOOD compressor and REALLY GOOD TUTORIALS.  Many times folks would get the American car because service and support was so much better and more people know how to work with them.  The secret for sonar bakers may be in educating, training and supporting the end user engineers in more effective and collaborative ways.  Not another magic easy button.
     
    Actually the Sonar Forums are a good start.  There are a lot of helpful supportive folks that hang out here.  So I  really NEED to know how to use sonar to mix a song like "FIGHT SONG" or "WRECKING BALL" like my customers want, but what I WANT are collections of endless stupid magic knobs and other novel tools to fiddle with forever.
     
    In spelling contests they say can you use the word in a sentence?  so show me, can I use these style dials to mix a radio ready hit song?  Show me. ;)
    post edited by papacucku - 2015/10/31 00:44:31

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 00:56:16 (permalink)
    I was using a Saxophone sample in a project, and I thought it just needs to be a little more dirty, so I dialed in some Style Dial "Grit" and it definitely helped put more edge onto the sample as required.
     
    As others have stated though, you really have to wonder what it is doing to the audio signal . . . there comes a point when it degrades the audio if over applied. Perhaps reminiscent of the Pro Channel Softube Saturation Knob, which when I first tried this Pro Channel plugin, I used it extensively . . . until I soloed it and listened more closely to what it was actually doing to the signal . . . additive distortion . . . which needs to be controlled, so subtle is always better.
    The Pro Channel Style Dials seem to be in the same category, quick and dirty shortcuts to grit, ambience, and compression. There are more refined plugins to get better results, but the Style Dials do offer the quick one dial result.

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 01:01:54 (permalink)
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    I bet you would never use them in your high quality multi million dollar mega studio would you richard- and neither would your numerous grammy winner clients...




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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 02:25:38 (permalink)
    I've added the style dials to the odd track here and there just to get an idea of what that particular effect will sound like, but eventually I delete them and add another that I can tweak to a little more my liking.

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 05:25:37 (permalink)
    I have tried them on a few different things, but I like to know what I am fiddling with. So I do not use them much, if at all.
    All the best.

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 06:02:08 (permalink)
    I love everything about Style Dials, just wish they were less CPU hungry, especially Max[imizer]. I believe that's a trade off for complex algorithms and look ahead feature under the hood, which prevents using it on many channels. Otherwise I would "style dial" everything and then just polish the mix with more tweakable plugins, if needed.
    post edited by Soundwise - 2015/10/31 06:48:43
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 08:09:15 (permalink)
    I've no use for space and max myself, but I'll add my name to the list of grit fans.

    Thing with the style dials is, they already existed, as part of music creator, so why not include them in Sonar? Basically no development cost. I'm happy to have them.

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 10:40:56 (permalink)
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    Is it documented exactly what they are under the hood?

     
    Seems they are regular 'locked' FX-chains with a few linked parameters for the following Vst's
    Grit: TL64-Tube leveler
    Max: Boost11 & PX64-PercussionStrip
    Space: Sonitus FX-Reverb
    (Right-click the big Dial and you can see which parameters are controlled and set Min/Max range)
    Even if you do a minimal setup of Sonar installing just the main programme and no Vst's it will install the whole Sonitus Suite and also Boost11,TL64 & PX64: They are listed in Vst-manager under exluded plugins.
    I have Platinum, no Idea if this applies to 'Music creator' or other versions.....(though I'd guess it does)
     
    It would be nice if the style-dials would optionally open an instance of the plugins they are controlling allowing user to see the parameters change as they are turning the knob. It would allow a quick & rough setting of an effect, and then allowing the user to fine-tune afterwards once the rough-mix is finished!
     

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 10:48:40 (permalink)
    You know where this is leading? Now I want to create my own dials and control the range and parameter of other vst.  The fact that they are controlling parameters of already developed vst escaped me for some reason.  That changes my thoughts about them.  They are one button effects chains. Sure Ill take more or let us create them? That is pretty sweet now that think about it.  I assumed they were just budget FX themselves but if they truly using other effects that's sweet.  So it really is just a "style dial".  They should have named them that. (he)
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 11:35:12 (permalink)
    Well I'm looking forward to the day where the entire UI gets replaced by one big red button.
    Anyway it's clearly obvious by reading this thread so far it is without debate a 'huge hit' and we are all begging for more ;) this is what people want.. Huge knobs strapped onto their console... Fair enough!

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 11:58:09 (permalink)
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    Yes it is included - Melodyne!!
     
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 12:04:27 (permalink)
    huge knobs and thicker arms

    just a sec

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 13:25:25 (permalink)
    Btw. did i mention in my post above that i hate big klunky user-de-interfaces.... Sonar is getting fuller and fuller and not necessarily easier on the eyes. (Guess I forgot)
    I suppose it's nice for all using their android phones to make music....we all know how nice it is to hit tiny buttons on small touch screens. But really wouldn't a nice lean slider have done the job?

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 13:28:17 (permalink)
    M@
     But really wouldn't a nice lean slider have done the job?



    Hmm maybe size does count..

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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 14:57:12 (permalink)
    The "program for iphones" syndrome is in full force.  I'm currently de-investing in my brokerage that went whole hog this way to other hosts that remember the desktop computer.  
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 15:40:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Soundwise 2015/10/31 17:54:44
    The Style Dials were a set of plugs included with the lessor Cake products (Music Creator?) that apparently some people liked (and for those who upgraded were used to having access to) so Cake released them to the Sonar crowd. They are particularly advantageous to the NON Platinum users who don't have access to the more robust suite us SPlatters do.
     
    They are not intended to be better than the top shelf stuff. They are intended to give more control for those on lesser packages and/or add some consistency and familiarity to those who are used to having access to them from other Cake products. For SPlat users they are just another tool (and were advertised as temporary effects to use as you constructed your project then replaced with more appropriate effects in the mixing stage).
     
    This was all covered in the eZine when these were released for Sonar.
     
    What is the issue? There is no need to use them. I sure haven't... (but I might now just to be a contrarian dillhole... or maybe they'll do something cool for me... whatever).
     
    Seriously if this is the stuff people are complaining about we seem to be in pretty good shape compared to a few short years ago.
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 15:56:21 (permalink)
    Thanks Beep, that confirms my suspicions. At first I thought they were April Fool's cartoons......and that I probably might check them out, but not use them. I will try the Grit.
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 16:24:03 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/10/31 17:00:27
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    Thanks Beep, that confirms my suspicions. At first I though they were April Fool's cartoons......and that I probably might check them out, but not use them. I will try the Grit.
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    The "Space" one or whatever it's called (the stereo maximizer one) actually seems useful since we are kind of sort of option limited in that regard (we've got the Blue Tubes one which is alright but not great for everything and Channel Tools which is awesome but hurts my brain).
     
    The Grit one certainly might be useful too for vox and bass. I mostly reach for the old Softube Sat Knob and the even older "Tube Drive" module but having another simple saturation/drive thingie to access that might have a different character than those other too is nice.
     
    I forget what the other Style Dial is (reverb? compression?) but hey... just an extra option to toss in the PC chain. I like playing with sounds and I like trying to stay within the PC so if they help they help. If they don't... I ain't losin' nuthin'.
     
    What these are REALLY cool for (now that I'm remembering more) is it gives the Sonar Artist users a "ProChannel" style set up plugs (where previously the Artist customers had NO Prochannel at ALL). It's really not about us top tier customers methinks.
     
    Anyhoo... I'm not expecting much out of them but will give them a go. They might be cool for adding another layer (or different texture) of grit to my bass tracks or widening guitar solos/vocals without going nutballs with more complicated effects.
     
    Cheers, bud. You got a good head on your shoulders.
     
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 17:39:45 (permalink)
    They need a woodgrain skin to make 'em sound warmer.
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    Re: Style dials "huge hit with customers"... 2015/10/31 18:06:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2015/10/31 18:19:37
    The "space" style dial is reverb, Beeps. I tested it on an acoustic guitar track, and it really didn't sound too bad.
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