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Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED

Just FYI if anyone else is having this problem.  This is a new one for me, after 23+ years using Cakewalk and Cake/BL.  The program crashed on opening 3 times in a row today after working perfectly late last night.  I'm still on the last release - (2018.09.0.25), not the one from October 4.  My only system change was installing the latest Melodyne Studio update - 4.2.0.020.  
 
I was able to open the (last) SONAR Platinum version fine, it scanned and found the new Melodyne plug-in and had no problem opening my Cakewalk project from last night.
 
So I uninstalled the latest Melodyne update but still got the Cakewalk/BL crash.  The I went back and uninstalled an old 2016 Melodyne Runtime installation showing in "Programs" and was able to open Cakewalk without a crash. Then I reinstalled the Melodyne update and I'm able to get back to work in Cake/BL.
 
MORAL of the story - When Melodyne says uninstall your old version first, it's for a good reason.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/07 02:56:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BRainbow 2018/10/07 05:52:41
Please install the latest version of CbB. The crash was most likely due to a big we fixed that was more visible on some systems.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/07 05:53:53 (permalink)
Thanks, Noel! Will do.  Just had the same thing happen when I installed Kontakt 6 alongside Kontakt 5.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/07 13:26:34 (permalink)
Kontakt 5 and 6 should both co-exist without issues.
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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/07 18:35:53 (permalink)
I reinstalled Kontakt 5 after doing the 2018.9 update and now it works fine along side Kontakt 6. Thanks, Noel.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 14:33:18 (permalink)
I'm still having both the Crash when loading a project using Melodyne, and the issue where Melodyne doesn't open correctly... I updated CbB this morning to 2018.09 (Build 29, 64 Bit) I have let Melodyne know it's still an issue for me.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 14:39:18 (permalink)
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I'm still having both the Crash when loading a project using Melodyne, and the issue where Melodyne doesn't open correctly... I updated CbB this morning to 2018.09 (Build 29, 64 Bit) I have let Melodyne know it's still an issue for me.



Maybe I'm wrong here, but I saw exactly the same thing when opening projects with active Melodyne 2 region fx after upgrading to Melodyne 4.
 
I suspect that when a region fx is active, it saves the state of Melodyne along with the region fx. When you re-open the project, the state is reloaded into Melodyne.
 
I doubt if that state is compatible between different versions of Melodyne, although you may be lucky with a minor update.
 
This is one of the reasons I always bounce to clips after editing within Melodyne.
 
If for some reason I need the original, I'll duplicate the track and archive the original.
 
post edited by msmcleod - 2018/10/08 21:17:20

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 18:03:31 (permalink)
I'm not using groove clips. I also tried uninstalling Melodyne completely and reinstalling with no luck. CbB crashes hard when opening any project with Melodyne. If I keep trying it will eventually open, but it can take 4 or 5 tries or more to successfully open the file. I'm also seeing the issue where no algorithm is chosen when a Region FX is opened. The crashes started with the 2018.08 updates and continues with 2018.09 (Build 29, 64 Bit). Interesting note, The run time version of Melodyne reinstalls itself when Melodyne 4.2 installs. 

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 18:06:29 (permalink)
Another note on this... I have had rare occasions where all works fine for a time or two, and then the crashes return, so unless you've had several start ups with no incident, the problem may just be hiding...
 

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 18:35:12 (permalink)
And finally, since uninstalling and reinstalling Melodyne, I find the editor is not tracking properly with the project. it's ahead of the track by varying amounts...  so where the cursor is on number 2 on the track ruler, in the Melodyne Editor, the cursor is on 3 or 4 or 5. the tracks are correct, Melodyne is not correct, but why is this happening? I cannot edit this way... I'm wishing I'd never installed this last series of updates...
 

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 21:16:37 (permalink)
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I'm not using groove clips. I also tried uninstalling Melodyne completely and reinstalling with no luck. CbB crashes hard when opening any project with Melodyne. If I keep trying it will eventually open, but it can take 4 or 5 tries or more to successfully open the file. I'm also seeing the issue where no algorithm is chosen when a Region FX is opened. The crashes started with the 2018.08 updates and continues with 2018.09 (Build 29, 64 Bit). Interesting note, The run time version of Melodyne reinstalls itself when Melodyne 4.2 installs. 




Sorry - meant Region FX not Groove Clip! - I'll edit the original post.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/08 22:20:25 (permalink)
Guys, try uninstalling all Melodyne versions and then reinstall the update with the latest CbB.  Worked for me.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/09 19:54:22 (permalink)
I did try that... since doing so, the Melodyne editor runs a measure and a half ahead of the track view window, which is tracking with the song correctly. Makes it rather difficult to edit.. I also noticed that the first thing Melodyne installs is the run time version. So this fixed none of my issues, and induced more... 
 
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Guys, try uninstalling all Melodyne versions and then reinstall the update with the latest CbB.  Worked for me.





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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/10 04:35:56 (permalink)
I need to see if I didn’t uninstall Melodyne before I upgraded Studio.

I have not crashed upon opening any files, but I am crashing at least once a day.

My big issue is that I can no longer convert audio to midi, and then Cakewalk freezes.
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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/10 05:15:01 (permalink)
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My big issue is that I can no longer convert audio to midi, and then Cakewalk freezes.

This problem affects some with Melodyne v4.2.0.020. It has been reported to Celemony a couple of times. There is a workaround, first create a region FX from the clip, make sure the clip is using a reasonable Melodyne algorithm then drag the clip from the audio track to an instrument/MIDI track.
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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/10 12:38:07 (permalink)
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I need to see if I didn’t uninstall Melodyne before I upgraded Studio.

I have not crashed upon opening any files, but I am crashing at least once a day.

My big issue is that I can no longer convert audio to midi, and then Cakewalk freezes.



Studio, Editor and Essential are all the same program. So you wouldn't need to have upgraded. It's just the license that dictates what level of functionality you have.
 
Before I upgraded my laptop, I had editor on my desktop PC and essentials on my laptop, with exactly the same version installed.
 
As soon as I authorised editor for my laptop, it picked it up right away.
 
Up until that point, I could take my iLok out of my desktop and plug in into my laptop in order to use editor.

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/10 14:20:00 (permalink)
The issue I'm having with Melodyne has been seen before and there is a thread concerning it here from 2014. I've not yet found a solution, nor have I have any response from Melodyne in two days... although in reading through the referenced thread, it would appear to be a Cakewalk problem. Something about a rounded algorithm, having to do with the tempo... Update. I uninstalled Melodyne 4.2, and reinstalled 4.1 and the syncing problem goes away... Now to figure out how to downgrade CbB and I'll be happy...
 
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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/13 11:17:59 (permalink)
I’m using most current Melodyne Studio 4.2. version
 
I’ve noticed since current update (4.2) installed, working in ARA in Sonar (23.10.0 build 14 2017 10 x64 the (the final under Gibson, i.e. not BandLab Cakewalk version)) my default algorithm selection (Melodic) is not used and my clip regions selections (typically vocal) always load as Percussive, I have then go and select desired Algorithm?
 
(As I don’t normally work in standalone mode I haven’t tested this)
 
Interested in if this has been reported by others, and if there’s a solution?

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/13 14:14:54 (permalink)
fwiw, anything that has a standalone version should be run standalone after updating, before launching it in the daw (while the daw isn't running and ideally after a reboot, just to be sure )

just a sec

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Re: Sudden Crash on Opening Cake/BL (2018.09) with Latest Melodyne Studio Update -- SOLVED 2018/10/14 15:47:12 (permalink)
JohnEgan, yes there are issues with 4.2 I've been working with Melodyne on. One is a syncing issue within the Melodyne editor, the other is the algorithm issue you observed. I've gone back to 4.1 until a fix is available. I also have an issue with the last two versions of CbB crashing hard when loading a project that have used Melodyne. I sometimes have to try 5 or more times until the project loads. Once loaded it behaves as long as you don't closer CbB. This started with the August updates and is still an issue for me. My last version of SPLAT works fine... I'm eyeing up that studio one crossgrade...

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