clintmartin
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Suddenly...audio dropouts.
I have a simple test project going with 5 tracks. 2 tracks of Amplitube, 1 track with Mark bass studio, 2 tracks EZD2, 1 track AD2. I usually record and playback at 128 samples, but at 256 I'm still getting dropouts. I'm having to freeze everything. It looks like I'm using 4.1 ram...I have 8. Any ideas on this? There are also two instances of ValhallaVintageverb and the bass has the CA-2A VST3. There are no other plugins in use.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 11:13:38
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clintmartin
I have a simple test project going with 5 tracks. 2 tracks of Amplitube, 1 track with Mark bass studio, 2 tracks EZD2, 1 track AD2. I usually record and playback at 128 samples, but at 256 I'm still getting dropouts. I'm having to freeze everything. It looks like I'm using 4.1 ram...I have 8. Any ideas on this? There are also two instances of ValhallaVintageverb and the bass has the CA-2A VST3. There are no other plugins in use.
It might be due to the number of Drum Samplers and the disk streaming... just guessing...try removing one and seeing if the problem goes away...
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 11:16:54
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Freezing EZD2 drops it from 4.1 to 3.7 ram usage.
Freezing AD2 drops it to 2.9
I wonder if I need more ram? I would think 8 is plenty for my little projects.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 11:21:04
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clintmartin
Freezing EZD2 drops it from 4.1 to 3.7 ram usage.
Freezing AD2 drops it to 2.9
I wonder if I need more ram? I would think 8 is plenty for my little projects.
That's one thing about these...as the samples get bigger (and better) they eat RAM like candy... A good SSD can help with the streaming also, having your samples stored on one, and your DAW and Operating System on one makes streaming (and load times) fast... I have 16 Gigs of RAM...
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 12:01:19
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Do AD2 and EZD2 stream samples? The original AD and EZD do not, they read everything into RAM. There may be some more tweaking to be done in SONAR such as increasing ExtraPluginBufs.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 12:50:51
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Do AD2 and EZD2 stream samples? The original AD and EZD do not, they read everything into RAM. There may be some more tweaking to be done in SONAR such as increasing ExtraPluginBufs.
Sorry...didn't mean to imply that even though that's what I said. Should have elaborated... By streaming I meant that they will get pushed to the swap file with low RAM, and therefore must be read back in when it starts playing... making for lots of Hard Drive activity... My bad...
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 13:35:59
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If the project is using 4GB of RAM it should not be swapping to virtual memory if the machine has 8GB. I doubt the project is using 4GB of RAM though, that sound like total system RAM use. As I said before, there may be some DAW treaking which could help.
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 13:40:15
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I'm going by the performance module in Sonar. It does say system use.
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cclarry
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 13:42:42
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I don't even use VR....I have it turned off...not necessary...
just trying to get him some ideas...something is definitely causing his project to
peak and drop out.
Did you watch the core meter to see if Core 1 is going in the red?
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 13:45:07
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clintmartin
I'm going by the performance module in Sonar. It does say system use.
Yea, that is what I thought. This is not a RAM or disk problem. This either CPU or configuration issue. I am leaning toward configuration ATM unless the first core is peaking to high on you.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 14:46:16
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If the project is using 4GB of RAM it should not be swapping to virtual memory if the machine has 8GB. I doubt the project is using 4GB of RAM though, that sound like total system RAM use. As I said before, there may be some DAW treaking which could help.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. Windows will "Swap out" even if there is ample memory if the focus is lost on the particular Window (i.e. Miniimized) as it sees it as "not in use", and will "remove" it from RAM to the Virtual RAM until it is brought back into "focus". Swap file gets used, regardless of how much "physical" memory is available. Not saying that it's not a "Tweak" issue...just saying that, with "Virtual Memory" turned on, it WILL get used...
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 14:50:18
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This may be true but I do not believe swapping would be happening in this case do you?
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 15:13:17
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scook
This may be true but I do not believe swapping would be happening in this case do you?
I tend to believe not...but who knows... But, I would be doing what you suggested and eliminating the setting issues and every thing else I could think of before looking there...as, having the optimum settings is critical on any DAW... EDIT: also, first thing I ALWAYS look at is CPU 1....if it's going red...either a plugin is being a HOG, or something else is going on...
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 15:23:54
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Do you have processor scheduling set to "background services" in system performance settings? I was having an issue awhile back and changing processor performance scheduling to programs instead of background services fixed it.
Rocky
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 16:55:51
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I'll have to look. I did a defrag last night and some other maintenance. Cleaned out the disk and cache and whatever. I did a full system backup first...so if I have to I can revert back to yesterday. It sounds like something fundamental changed.
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 16:57:29
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bluzdog
Do you have processor scheduling set to "background services" in system performance settings? I was having an issue awhile back and changing processor performance scheduling to programs instead of background services fixed it.
Rocky
It was set to background services. I changed it. I'll report back later.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 17:30:14
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If the machine was working fine prior (no dropouts running at a 128-sample ASIO buffer size), the most likely culprit is either EZD2 or AD2. Both were literally just released.
You might check your DPC Latency (to see if a recent driver update, etc may be misbehaving).
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 18:07:17
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I'm going to go ahead and do a restore of my OS. My daw may be fine, but other things are acting strange. I've done something wrong. I'm sure running two instances of EZD2 and one instance of AD2 was the cause of the dropouts. Can any of you guys do that at a 128 buffer rate without clicks or dropouts?
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 19:03:08
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I did 3 simple instrument tracks and MIDI in all 3 tracks and CPU 1 didn't even budge....
And you're on an i7....I'd say something else is the culprit....
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 20:59:10
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My cpu hasn't been bad at all. Anyway my restore has been done, so I'll update later if it made a difference.
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 21:14:53
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cclarry
I did 3 simple instrument tracks and MIDI in all 3 tracks and CPU 1 didn't even budge....
And you're on an i7....I'd say something else is the culprit....
Did you use EZD2 and AD2?
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/17 21:29:45
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cclarry
I did 3 simple instrument tracks and MIDI in all 3 tracks and CPU 1 didn't even budge....
And you're on an i7....I'd say something else is the culprit....
Did you use EZD2 and AD2?
Yes ....2 instances of EZ2 and 1 of AD2.....all playing simultaneously....
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/22 00:23:36
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I'm using the new ad2, and getting x3 crashes- used to be once in a blue moon, today, 3 in about a half hour while previewing ad2 beats with a running project. just came out, a hindrance, is all...I reckon they'll get it fixed.
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/22 07:07:04
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A couple of my live performance tracks have two instance of Superior in them. One for a kit and one for Latin Percussion. Whenever I do that added with about 5 other tracks with vsti plugins it pushes my RAM meter in Sonar to about 3 gigs. I usually run at 256. My little Focusrite interface will let me get it down as far as 177 samples before the laptop starts sweating. Although, if I use less hungry versions of plugs I can get it down to 128. If I use just the Tts-1 for a quick scratchpad type project I have gotten down to 64 very comfortably. My point being if your OS is already using it's minimum amount of RAM what's left is not very much.
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clintmartin
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/22 09:19:23
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Yeah, I think that's the deal. I have a request for a quote on ram from ADK. I think I need 16 to run 3 drum samplers at once without freezing. Not that I need to do that very often. I was testing the new EZD2 and AD2, so I had two instances of EZD2 and one of AD2.
post edited by clintmartin - 2014/05/22 12:04:14
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Re: Suddenly...audio dropouts.
2014/05/22 23:44:59
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A few days ago I had a project running fine until I tried using Zeta 2 on a track. The dropouts and clicks attacked me. I pulled Zeta out and tried Rapture in the track. It got worse. Even when I deleted the track, it still was dropping out. I finally had to just close Sonar and start again. I never had such problems before with those two synths. I'll think twice next time.
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