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Suggestion about spam
Give the option to 'flag' at the top, rather then having to scroll down.............
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 05:17:01
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It would be nice to spam just once. This would put the spammer in pending approval faster and would give them less satisfaction. The moderators can then decide if it is spam or not.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 05:22:58
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I think this was not done just because of potential abuse concerns. I was flagged once for telling an OP that his post was offensive, lol.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 06:45:15
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mettelus I was flagged once for telling an OP that his post was offensive, lol.
Hard to argue with that. Telling someone that you can't control your own emotions is hardly relevant. I agree that one spam flag should be enough - anyone who abuses the flagging system gets a ban, so any idiots will effectively ban themselves - everyone's a winner !
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 11:42:14
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☄ Helpfulby rmusmeci 2014/04/28 08:27:21
One spam flag is too little in my opinion. Someone could theoretically go around flagging people's posts and then everyone's temporarily auto-banned until an admin catches wind of it. That's a big inconvenience for everyone. It's not uncommon for a few people to have to flag something for it to go away. I actually was concerned that three flags might be too little but it seems like it's been working pretty well so far. Re: moving the flag location... That would require customizing the forum software which really isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things. That flag location is nested in the same location as other elements. In other words, we'd have to actually redesign/hack a lot of UI for a very minimal difference, only for it to break each time the forum dev updates his software.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 12:36:32
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Although, the present system is not perfect it seems to work well and does make it hard for mischief makers to hold sway. I think it should be left alone. I have been one that has flagged many spam posts and at no time was there not enough others to do the same. CW did a great job in coming up with a solution that actually works.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 14:01:25
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Everyone has their own opinion. I would like to make it a little harder for them to get on the forum. Enough said.
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Soft Enerji
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/27 22:29:59
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] Re: moving the flag location... That would require customizing the forum software which really isn't worth it in the grand scheme of things. That flag location is nested in the same location as other elements. In other words, we'd have to actually redesign/hack a lot of UI for a very minimal difference, only for it to break each time the forum dev updates his software.
Well, I guess that's fair enough :-)
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 08:17:18
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I think it is working pretty well at this point in time. I can only imagine the crap that gets sent to people that are dumb enough to actually contact that idiot that is posting all of those stupid messages. I'd feel sorry for them, except that it is because enough people fall for those scams to keep them coming, so it is their fault we have to go through this nonsense. Bob Bone
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 08:54:56
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I think the solution Cakewalk came up with was brilliant, and seems to be working well. There is a certain sense of satisfaction to see an avalanche of spam posts rapidly disappear as they are flagged.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 08:58:10
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 08:58:48
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Just wanted to add that I am occasionally surprised to see one such post has been viewed several times, but only flagged once, as I did just now. I guess the either the message is not getting across to forum members about flagging, or these people are replying to the posts. Maybe it's the man himself admiring his handiwork. Briefly.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 09:02:38
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Could someone pop to the Sonar Le forum to finish off a load, please?
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paulo
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 09:12:14
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] One spam flag is too little in my opinion. Someone could theoretically go around flagging people's posts and then everyone's temporarily auto-banned until an admin catches wind of it. That's a big inconvenience for everyone. It's not uncommon for a few people to have to flag something for it to go away. I actually was concerned that three flags might be too little but it seems like it's been working pretty well so far.
I hear what you are saying, but if anyone really wanted to do that they could just set up 3 accounts and do it anyway - we all know that there are people on here with more than one "identity", so it's clearly possible. If abuse of the system resulted in a permanent ban they could only do it once before they effectively banned themselves - I can't see that any worthwhile, regular member would want to do that.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 09:31:40
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There have historically been squabbles between forum members, and it would be too easy to cause someone to get banned, out of just being mean-spirited. There is one knucklehead love-guru-voodoo-child that is the chief poster these days of spam, and since forum members have become aware of the 3-flag-spam-be-gone approach, even that idiot gets his posts and accounts removed pretty quickly. And, by the way, I noticed the other day that I do not have to scroll down much at all to see the Flag as Spam button, so I think even that works OK. Bob Bone
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 09:36:54
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robert_e_bone There have historically been squabbles between forum members, and it would be too easy to cause someone to get banned, out of just being mean-spirited. There is one knucklehead love-guru-voodoo-child that is the chief poster these days of spam, and since forum members have become aware of the 3-flag-spam-be-gone approach, even that idiot gets his posts and accounts removed pretty quickly. And, by the way, I noticed the other day that I do not have to scroll down much at all to see the Flag as Spam button, so I think even that works OK. Bob Bone
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 10:04:37
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paulo
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk] One spam flag is too little in my opinion. Someone could theoretically go around flagging people's posts and then everyone's temporarily auto-banned until an admin catches wind of it. That's a big inconvenience for everyone. It's not uncommon for a few people to have to flag something for it to go away. I actually was concerned that three flags might be too little but it seems like it's been working pretty well so far.
I hear what you are saying, but if anyone really wanted to do that they could just set up 3 accounts and do it anyway - we all know that there are people on here with more than one "identity", so it's clearly possible. If abuse of the system resulted in a permanent ban they could only do it once before they effectively banned themselves - I can't see that any worthwhile, regular member would want to do that.
True, but it's a lot more work and once we banned their IP they'd have to jump through many more hoops to pull it off. I've seen a lot of non-spam posts marked as spam (at least with one flag) for whatever disagreement or differing opinion people seem to be having. I think it's in everyone's better interest to not make it so easy for people to ban each other, even if it's only a temp ban.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 18:59:10
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 20:52:44
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The best solution I've seen on a lot of forums is you cannot even post a question, start a new thread, until you reach a certain post count. Just like here you cannot post links or pictures until somewhere around 30 posts. The other good thing about this is it would make newbies read the forum first before asking the same old questions or digging up threads from 4 years ago on Google. Steinburg won't let you post at all until your register your software on some of their forums. I bet the number of members with a post counts under 6 is more than half the user base.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/28 21:41:51
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Johnny I was thinking alone those lines too. Other forums have it so that the first posts or so are reviewed by a mod before its allowed be on the forum. There is a delay of often of 24 hrs. sometimes more. But this forum is more service oriented where a user running into trouble can post and get a quick answer. I like that idea. It makes us a little different from many of the other forums. And it would be a distraction for CW people. I don't think I would object but it could be seen by some as unnecessary.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/29 11:52:45
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That is the downside for sure. Steinburgs system of only letting newbies post in certain sub forums might be better. Here you could use the Starting out forum. If it gets spammed it would not be a big deal. I guess it depends on the forum software which might not be that sophisticated. Another deterrent I've seen used, is you have to fill in a lot more personal data and answer a Sonar question first. Signing up here is just way to easy IMHO.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/29 12:10:44
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Without spending a lot of time explaining the technical details, I investigated this but this software doesn't handle it well unfortunately. New forum users would have to jump through tons of hoops just to be able to ask a question, and we'd need a lot more people to constantly maintain different user groups. I was really hoping it would work out, but once I started having to set up a flow chart for how a new customer/member would get started in the community I knew it was a bad idea.
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/29 12:43:47
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I think things are pretty good here, seems to be working for me. Spammers are always a pain, but the 3 flags things seems to work. I flagged a handful of posts as soon as I saw them about 8 hours ago, some of my flags were the third flagger and this site is quiet around then, but there was enough prepared to deal with the spammer. I have nearly 20,000 posts on a non-music site by Hearst Corp. (magazine company) and they overhauled their site for the worse. They had a big user base, lots of established user supporting and encouraging new users that would evolve into knowledgeable and giving members themselves. Then they re-vamped, removed a user-moderator, the spam went nuts, but they had traffic and it was financed through advertisements. They killed that site. I'm on a football (soccer) form, with 2 tiers. The lower tiers can be interesting, but often crumbles into petiness, fuelled by trolls. So you don't bother reading to much, just read the interesting and more respectful top tier. Then you have something valuable to give, and you realise you can't, you're a forum spectator. I posted on Celemony's forum and PBend data on midi exports, and was faced with a notification that my thread had to be Mod approved. My reaction was 'FFS really', not a shouting angry 'FFS really', but one of deflation having gone through all the sign up rigmarole, to a from emails. Imagine that as a new user with a genuine issue that require more than noobie experience to resolve. Imagine you had spent ages researching before you reached for forum support. You may have even been reading the forum for ages, just never needed to ask anything. This stuffs important to us, we don't need things being more difficult. when things are being difficult enough. I like this set up, I'm happy to flag, and others are, because forums belong to the users, if they don't, they set up their own ons that do. No site is perfect, but this seems pretty damn good. And we don't have to [URL] code to get blummin' hot links to work, just past them in. [IMG] is nice too
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/29 13:48:29
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I think the absence of spam, or at least the quick killing of it, speaks for itself. There is a pretty balance at the moment, between allowing new folks to come on in and post, yet still giving us a pretty handy and expedient means of flagging spamholes. (is that a new word?). :) I too get pretty annoyed at some sites having me run around the moon just to ask a simple question, so I vote for running with things the way they sit at the moment - for a while. The forum folks seem to eagerly be willing to flag things as they pop up, so let's go with it as is. Bob Bone
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Re: Suggestion about spam
2014/04/29 17:12:05
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@Ryan How about IIS URL rewriter?
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