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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/10 10:08:19
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David Byrne's "How Music Works" has a nice big pillowy cover, so if it gets boring, you can use it as a pillow.
But it won't get boring if you are interested in the history of music and Byrne's interpretations of its value as a commodity.
Which means, you've probably already read it.
Have a good time!
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/10 10:26:46
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Hatstand, good call on The Colour of Magic. Sir Pratchett was one of my all time favs. His books top my must read list.
Bit, you've probably already read these because they are older, but I enjoyed David Brin's Uplift series, anything by William Gibson, the Time Patrol (short stories) by Poul Anderson, the Heechee series by Frederick Pohl (no relation to Poul Anderson), and absolutely everything by Ursula LeGuin.
I hope you enjoy reading and relaxing in between the more strenuous activities.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/10 10:59:09
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Hi,
Have fun on your vacation is first and foremost ... very important ... and most useful.
I do not like to make suggestions in reading, any more than I do for listening, mostly because it is such a subjective touch, and no one knows where it comes from, and that makes it harder to read and relate to.
That said ... here are some bits and pieces, and my comments on it.
Robert Wyatt -- Different Every Time. Probably one of the most fun things to read, and valuable in terms of learning how to do something else, in music. I kinda look at it, how the heck can RW go back to being a kid on this album, then you listen to it ... son of a gun ... there it is again. Even though it is never discussed as such, the ABC thing on Soft Machine 3 is perfect, and a total "anti-jazz fan" thing, kinda making fun of the whole thing. Instead it made them famous ... !!! His music discussions are priceless ... and please pay attention to what he says about Syd Barrett! You'll absolutely love it! Also an incredible history of the time.
My Last Sigh -- Luis Bunuel (the film director) put together this, and it is a bit of history of Spain in the 1930's and 1940's and you can see how some literature survived, or was shot, and sometimes I think that "surrealism" was an intentional way of getting a laugh on the many horrors in front of these folks. A true insight into the crazy details in many of his film, and if you can, get "The Exterminating Angel", "Los Olvidados", "Robinson Crusoe" (his is the funniest!), "Nazarin", "Viridiana", "The discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie", "The Phantom of Liberty" ... all of these highly recommended viewing for stuff that is not on the "pop music" side of things, and yet, is as powerful as anything you have ever thought in film, or music.
Future Days -- About "krautrock", the harshest term ever for music in Germany, but it is detailed and insane and well done, and is a total history of Germany through music after WW2. Very well done, all around, and the hardest part is getting past the long introduction. But learning that this was as much about each area, just like America ... and how the influences arrived and left on the same boat!
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/10 16:31:24
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How about something from our very own literary genius Bubba?.........sci-fi, fantasy, fiction, non-fiction, comedy, tragedy, history, reality, and then some, all rolled up in one.
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquitous-Bubba/e/B00AS4QEJY/ref=dp_byline_cont_pop_book_1
You missed where he already said that was being taken along (or I would have also suggested it).  Here's a couple more series that I read multiple times when I was younger: Ursula K. Le Guin’s A Wizard of Earthsea (eight total books) Stephen R. Donaldson's The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant - The Unbeliever Series (three trilogies)
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/10 19:56:18
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 06:28:35
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Greg Bear: Blood Music, Darwin's Radio / Darwin's Children, Eon / Eternity
Any of the Culture series by Iain M Banks
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 11:28:07
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I forgot about Blood Music. Fantastic book. Good call.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 11:29:23
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Footfall by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle was a great alien invasion tale.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 11:37:25
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Any of the Culture series by Iain M Banks
Not every one in that series. I wouldn't have minded if I skipped Matter, and The Hydrogen Sonata gives away the ending way too early in the book. On the other hand Player of Games is great and Surface Detail is so far beyond anything I have read in the last four years it's not funny. Also, the first book in the series, Consider Phlebas, was an enjoyable enough book, but left me wondering what all the fuss was about. Player of Games, the second one, justifies the hype.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 11:49:58
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UB: huge Pratchett fan here, too. Didn't know he was a "sir", though.
Thanks to your suggestion, I went on Amazon to verify that I'd indeed read all things Pratchett and was delighted to discover a couple that I hadn't. I think I might traipse on down to Half Price Books today and buy all the DiscWorld they have, and present them as a gift to my nephew. He'd probably like Le Guin, too, so even though I've read them all I might grab a couple of those as well.
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. More than I can possibly take on one trip (or afford to), but I'll bookmark this thread for future reference.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 18:22:05
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Any of the Culture series by Iain M Banks
Not every one in that series. I wouldn't have minded if I skipped Matter, and The Hydrogen Sonata gives away the ending way too early in the book.
I like "Matter", but "The Hydrogen Sonata" is one I'm less enthusiastic about, just find it hard to get into for some reason. For anyone wanting to dip into Banks' Culture books the first of the series, "Consider Phlebas" is probably the best place to start, then as you say the next book places a lot of that one in context and is probably the better of the two. Though I'm not sure how much sense a lot of it would make without reading Phlebas first. Banks' early death was a great loss both to sci-fi and "mainstream" literature. Bernard Cornwell's Uhtred of Babbenburg series already having been mentioned, his other works set in the pre-modern age are also pretty good. The Arthurian series is an interesting take on the legend of Arthur, complete with a Merlin whose magic tends to leave you (and the characters) thinking "did magic really cause that, or was it just a coincidence?" A good way to handle magic without letting it take over or provide instant get-outs when the author writes him/herself into a corner. Cornwell's stand-alone novel "Stonehenge" is also very good indeed.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/11 21:25:14
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Bernard Cornwell's Uhtred of Babbenburg series already having been mentioned, his other works set in the pre-modern age are also pretty good. The Arthurian series is an interesting take on the legend of Arthur, complete with a Merlin whose magic tends to leave you (and the characters) thinking "did magic really cause that, or was it just a coincidence?"
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Even better ... if you can, catch all 16 episodes of "Sharpe" in the series with Sean Bean. It is excellent all the way though and if anything, although not exactly historically perfect, there are many details in there, like the whole confusion in Spain with the French and the English, and its spies and mercenaries. The whole thing is well written, but in some ways, I like the shows better and now have all 16 episodes. In the start, there is a Spanish actress (Assumpta Serna), and if you really want to watch a most special film on fencing (like differences between French, Italian and Spanish styles and they making fun of the English!), catch "The Fencing Master" ... directed by Pedro Olea and it is an amazing film that will surprise you in the end! She is also in Pedro Almodovar's film "Matador" with Antonio Banderas I think. She is now an acting teacher I understand.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/12 16:17:12
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The Sharpe books are way better than the TV series.
In my opinion of course. The same goes for the BBC's attempt so far to serialise the Uhtred books.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/12 16:23:31
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While we're on the subject of books, let me put in a plug for a novel (non-SF) that should interest a great many regulars here - I have to believe that it's a story that would appeal to almost any musician.
The book is Body and Soul by Frank Conroy (not to be confused with Pat Conroy who has cranked out a fair number of "beach reads"). Frank Conroy taught writing and authored a very critically acclaimed memoir. Body and Soul is his only novel. It's a coming-of-age and coming-of-artistry story of a brilliant young pianist.
Inexpensive used hardback copies should not be hard to find on-line. Highest possible recommendation.
As a side story, Frank Conroy was reportedly a pretty fair jazz pianist. He was visiting a publisher having something to do with music one day. While waiting for his appointment, he sat down at a piano and started to play some jazz. A bass player and drummer came along, liked what they heard, and just sat in and jammed for a while. It turned out that those two musicians happened to be Bill Wyman and Charlie Watts.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
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☄ Helpfulby eph221 2017/01/13 13:02:32
Hi,
More stuff, way out there!
Doris Lessing - Briefing for a Descent Into Hell -- Outstanding fast read and she is super. I even like to recommend "The Golden Notebook" to men, who think they are men, instead of people!
Carlos Castaneda - The Art of Dreaming -- Probably his best book, and it is an in depth look at dreams, although it might romanticize them some, it still is one of the best books on the subject ever written.
Aleister Crowley - Diary of a Drugfiend -- Not for everyone, but the trips in there are something else, and the resolution ... is absolutely tops and the best anti-drugs book ever written. In a way it debunks the stoned mentality for doing serious inner work. Nope, you have to get it straight from the source, not with anything else. Very serious read, but intense.
Aldous Huxley - The Doors of Perception -- At our age, a lot in this book still shines ... and shines ... and shines!
Herman Hesse - Steppenwolf -- It was a few years back a bit of an idealistic thing about something else, but when you read it now, it is something else. It is somewhat idealistic about the INNER trip, but it is very good. Also nice reading is "Siddartha", though I kinda think it is a bit preachy now. Steppenwolf is not. (AND, IF YOU CAN FIND IT, a guy named Fred Haynes did a movie version of this with Max Van Sydow, and various cartoons doing the philosophical parts, and it was great ... but way too out there!)
Aguirre, the Wrath of God - The film with Klaus Kinsky by Werner Herzog. Watch carefully to see how well it was coreographed to the music, specially the last 20 minutes. And the opening ... is a visual delight. The acting? Free form ad lib all the way through, just about!
Aria - A film with bits and pieces of opera arias done by various well known film directors, and you gotta love Jean Luc Godard's ... finger to the whole thing!
Magic Trip - About Ken Kesey and his Further trip. Make note of his editorial comments towards the end. The whole thing explains the "beat poets" so well ... and still makes me wonder why music can't do this!
Not Mozart - English crazyness and a whole bunch of folks doing Mozart in a way that you have never seen. The whole thing is insane inside out, but fun to watch. Peter Greenaway's opening thing is the best Bob Fosse you will ever see.
Prospero's Books - Peter Greenaway's take on The Tempest. If you ever want to really know what words mean, just listen with eyes closed to Sir Gielgud read this stuff and play the main character. It is simply insane, and the words are so crystal clear ... you never thought of Willy as that good, but it changes how you read him next time.
Have fun ... I'm done suggesting stuff out of left field ... anything else is too conventional. Or you can just enjoy another Harry Potter kitchen secrets book! I didn't even get to Italians, or Polish films (gotta see the double life of Veronique ... you gotta ... fantabulous music by Preissner)
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/13 13:01:20
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Moshkito
Hi,
More stuff, way out there!
Doris Lessing - Briefing for a Descent Into Hell -- Outstanding fast read and she is super. I even like to recommend "The Golden Notebook" to men, who think they are men, instead of people!
Carlos Castaneda - The Art of Dreaming -- Probably his best book, and it is an in depth look at dreams, although it might romanticize them some, it still is one of the best books on the subject ever written.
Aleister Crowley - Diary of a Drugfiend -- Not for everyone, but the trips in there are something else, and the resolution ... is absolutely tops and the best anti-drugs book ever written. In a way it debunks the stoned mentality for doing serious inner work. Nope, you have to get it straight from the source, not with anything else. Very serious read, but intense.
Aldous Huxley - The Doors of Perception -- At our age, a lot in this book still shines ... and shines ... and shines!
Herman Hesse - Steppenwolf -- It was a few years back a bit of an idealistic thing about something else, but when you read it now, it is something else. It is somewhat idealistic about the INNER trip, but it is very good. Also nice reading is "Siddartha", though I kinda think it is a bit preachy now. Steppenwolf is not. (AND, IF YOU CAN FIND IT, a guy named Fred Haynes did a movie version of this with Max Van Sydow, and various cartoons doing the philosophical parts, and it was great ... but way too out there!)
Aguirre, the Wrath of God - The film with Klaus Kinsky by Werner Herzog. Watch carefully to see how well it was coreographed to the music, specially the last 20 minutes. And the opening ... is a visual delight. The acting? Free form ad lib all the way through, just about!
Aria - A film with bits and pieces of opera arias done by various well known film directors, and you gotta love Jean Luc Godard's ... finger to the whole thing!
Magic Trip - About Ken Kesey and his Further trip. Make note of his editorial comments towards the end. The whole thing explains the "beat poets" so well ... and still makes me wonder why music can't do this!
Not Mozart - English crazyness and a whole bunch of folks doing Mozart in a way that you have never seen. The whole thing is insane inside out, but fun to watch. Peter Greenaway's opening thing is the best Bob Fosse you will ever see.
Prospero's Books - Peter Greenaway's take on The Tempest. If you ever want to really know what words mean, just listen with eyes closed to Sir Gielgud read this stuff and play the main character. It is simply insane, and the words are so crystal clear ... you never thought of Willy as that good, but it changes how you read him next time.
Have fun ... I'm done suggesting stuff out of left field ... anything else is too conventional. Or you can just enjoy another Harry Potter kitchen secrets book! I didn't even get to Italians, or Polish films (gotta see the double life of Veronique ... you gotta ... fantabulous music by Preissner)
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/14 05:42:46
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I think my fave book in the Culture series was Excession, probably as it's the most ship/Mind focused one.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/14 05:50:43
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I prefer Iain (M) Banks non-sci-fi personally ('The Bridge' is in my top 5 reads) but my friend is a voracious sci-fi reader and rates Banks' 'The Algebraist' as the best he's ever read.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/14 16:02:00
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I have not read any of Banks' Culture series. Is it necessary to read them in chronological order?
I am thinking of starting with Surface Detail because of its 80% 4/5-star reviews on Amazon, and because it's only $7.99 for the Kindle version. I'll pay more than that for a hard copy, but not for a medium that I can't pass along once I'm done reading it.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/14 16:08:38
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I have not read any of Banks' Culture series. Is it necessary to read them in chronological order?
I'd say that reading the earlier books in the series will help to flesh out the world somewhat, but they're all self-contained novels and would make perfect sense if read 'out of sequence'.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/14 20:40:25
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I've heard the first book was weak, so I bought the second one. Kindle edition for ten bucks. That's the higher end of what I'll pay for an eBook - can't pass them along when you're done. But great for reading with the lights out, and if you fall asleep it'll remember where you left off.
OTOH, it sucks on a bright day at the beach, and if you fall asleep waiting for your flight there's a good chance somebody'll walk off with your tablet, when they'd likely leave a paperback alone. I have mixed feelings about eBooks.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/15 18:02:35
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Hi,
Bit ... if it were me, I think I would pick one book from each person suggesting ... I'm getting dizzy just realizing how much I still need to read!
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/16 17:45:53
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Oh yeh. I may have to change my flight to have a stopover in New Delhi so I'll have more time for reading.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/16 20:08:19
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Dave,
Don't buy! Check it out from the library.
Here in King County the online Library is great.
I have the Kindle app on my phone. DL the book, its mine for 21 days.
I own, literally, a ton of books.
But no more, I hit the library.
Only reason I moved to the iPhone; the Kindle app.
Oh, and in bright light, white letters on black background.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/17 11:39:43
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Great idea, Tom. Unfortunately, being exiled to the wilds of Snohomish County I am forever denied access to decent restaurants, turn signals and the King County Library.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/17 12:46:04
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Greg Bear: Blood Music, Darwin's Radio / Darwin's Children, Eon / Eternity
Any of the Culture series by Iain M Banks
+1 on Darwin's Radio. Good book. I'm currently on book two of the Atlantis Gene trilogy
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/17 12:47:51
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King's Talisman is pretty good.
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Re: Suggestions for Vacation Reading?
2017/01/17 16:48:45
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The Passage by Justin Cronin, a great read.
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2017/01/17 18:04:08
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What you could also be doing is buy the CD Endless River by Pink Floyd and listen to it 10 times and come back and post in the Endless River thread here in Coffee House which everyone seems to be ignoring how bloody excellent it is. (Don't download or stream it either. The CD sounds very different!) They all really know it but just refuse to admit it. And hey with all the guitarists around here surely some of you should be reveling in the beautiful work that Dave Gilmour has done all over this CD. It is a sheer masterclass in understated but very effective playing and his sound is just killer too in this. Another serious lesson in what sort of lead guitar sound one could be aiming for.
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