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2013/07/03 13:10:04 (permalink)

Suggestions for piano plugins

I just can't get a decent piano sound of any kind out of included Sonar plugins.
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 13:12:20 (permalink)
You might want to check out the rest of the TruePianos suite. As an owner of Amber you get a 30% discount on the full package.
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 13:15:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby meh 2013/07/04 09:19:34
Sampletekk
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Ivory
http://www.synthogy.com/products/ivorygrand.html
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post edited by carl - 2013/07/03 13:21:56
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 13:16:55 (permalink)
What type of piano sound are you after?

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 13:19:53 (permalink)
Really? Assuming you're looking for a real acoustic piano sound, have you tried the ones in Dimension Pro in the Digital Sound Factory Classic Keys folder under Grand Piano? I think the Concert Grand is pretty nice. Better than any real piano I could afford. 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 13:25:21 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby meh 2013/07/04 09:19:48
Have you looked at the Sonar sound pack for The Sound Center?
 
http://www.store.cakewalk.com/b2cus/Category.aspx?CategoryID=83
 
For the money... $20 .... The Steinway Grand collection is a nice sounding set of piano samples.
 
Everything else I have looked at and considered was more than 10 times that amount.  Of course, they do sound good.... Ivory would be on that list.  For me, a piano is mostly a background instrument and even the solo's are not super critical.....so CSC-SGC works fine for me.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 15:04:19 (permalink)
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I just can't get a decent piano sound of any kind out of included Sonar plugins.
 
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1. What are you missing in the sound? What do you not like about the sound?
2. Explain what you have tried so far and what effects you added and the settings for those effects
 
Whats included in Sonar is definitely capable of making great piano sounds. 
 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 15:26:18 (permalink)
A lot of it is in the processing. Must be. I have all the Komplete pianos (including Alicia's Keys) and I can't get any of them to sound to my liking. I haven't really tried though (don't use pianos much) so I'm presuming a matter of the right EQ and reverb. Having said that I just bought the Waves Aphex exciter in the sale so I'm tempted to see what that does to them. 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 15:59:52 (permalink)
ez keys has some really good expansion packs

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 16:02:30 (permalink)
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You might want to check out the rest of the TruePianos suite. As an owner of Amber you get a 30% discount on the full package.


Agree here. The ones that come packaged in sonar in my opinion are NOT the best trupianos sounds.
I really like the Diamond version.
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 16:20:26 (permalink)
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 21:01:44 (permalink)
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1. What are you missing in the sound? What do you not like about the sound?
2. Explain what you have tried so far and what effects you added and the settings for those effects
 Whats included in Sonar is definitely capable of making great piano sounds. 
 

It seems that no matter what piano True, SI Electric or Demension, it's like the attach is too brittle for lack of words.....
They don't seem to fit in the mix with other "live" instruments.
 
Best way I can describe it.
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 22:36:19 (permalink)
Well, how are you triggering the sounds? Are you using a MIDI keyboard or PRV? If a MIDI keyboard, maybe you need to set the velocity curve to your liking. Also, how are you monitoring the sound? 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 22:39:00 (permalink)
You have to look at Quantum Leap Pianos.  They are on special these days. 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 23:27:01 (permalink)
Ivory II Grands is superb.  There are some others that are as good, but I don't think any are better.
 
Pianoteq will not sound quite as good, but since it is modeled instead of sampled, it has a very small footprint.
 
Since I got Ivory, however, I don't use anything else.  What is cool about Ivory II Grands is that it includes a breath-taking Steinway (that is good for anything), a bright Yamaha for rock and country, and a Bosendorfer for those who prefer that.  When I play the Steinway, I can smell the wood.
 
Note that Ivory II includes EQ and reverb options.  The high shelf is nice for using a Steinway in pop tracks.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/03 23:40:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby meh 2013/07/04 09:08:07
Just to add another option, "Eight Eight 2.0" from Sonivox has some decent solo demos - sounds pretty good IMO and the price is good.
 

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 04:56:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jbow 2013/07/04 21:39:50
meh
It seems that no matter what piano True, SI Electric or Demension, it's like the attach is too brittle for lack of words.....
They don't seem to fit in the mix with other "live" instruments.
 
Best way I can describe it.
 
rafone




 
and that, is what EQ/Dynamics is for... 
 
Soft synth instruments, in their raw form, are designed to sound bright and strong: otherwise we wouldn't say: "that sounds great, I'll buy it". But when it comes to blending them together, they can't all stick out: like having too many sharp, prominent flavours in a meal; they fight each other. 
 
 I've learnt that is amazing what a simple bit of EQ can do on tracks. It's why every board since the dawn of time has basic EQ. 
 
Try it yourself: Put some bright parts of different soft synths in a project, make sure they are overlapping and all the same volume. Now Imagine the loop as a picture, every part in it's place. Using EQ, try to 'shape' each part so it sits, as much as is possible, in it's own pocket of the frequency spectrum. Certain instruments will cross over each other sonically, but it's all about trying to get them playing nicely with each other and not stepping on each others toes. 
 
"Attack is too brittle" you say? Try using a compressor with a fast attack to slow that bad boy down, not to mention some soft-synths have an attack parameter. OR, try Eq'ing the highs slightly, to make it more 'mellow' 
 
I've heard a lot of people, including some in this forum, who just keep buying more and more soft synths, telling themselves "Ah, THIS is the drum synth I am looking for" or "This piano sounds the best, I must have it", Only to be repeating the same train of thought when the next 'Ultimate' soft-synth module comes out a month later. Unfortunately, there is no quick fix: mixing instruments takes work. Save your money and try working with what you have. I realised this a while ago and I have: 1. saved money, and 2. Learnt how to make sounds work together. I'll go out on a limb and say that Sonar comes with all the soft synths you need (to get a great sound), and more. It's just about learning how to make them work together. 
 
 Bottom line: Someone who knows what they are doing, with some experience, can take the most average sounds and make them sound great together.
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 05:16:12 (permalink)
I've got tons of piano libraries, although I don't have any of the 'fancier' ones like Ivory II (though oh, how I would love their upright library).
 
If you have Kontakt, Sampletekk is the way to go. Time it right and you can pick up great libraries for $25 a pop. Seriously, if you don't like how they sound, you just don't like pianos!
 
I think Pianoteq took a huge leap forward in version 4, and you can get on that bandwagon for under $100. The Bluthner add-on sounds anything but sterile - it's, beautiful, really, though pretty mellow. And although I don't have it yet, the U4 upright add-on sounds fantastic - when I can get around to it I'll be adding it to my collection.
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 07:39:04 (permalink)
Lounge lizard (although modeling electric pianos rather than acoustic ones) sounds amazing and the modeling is really good.  There's a special on at present for the 'Session' version which is based on the EP-3 model, £15 (~$23 I guess) in the Cakewalk shop.
 
The full-fat EP-4 version at www.applied-acoustics.com is half price currently ($99 listed, so about £65).
 
You can try a demo of it, so what's to lose? :-)
 
http://www.applied-acoustics.com/loungelizard/trial/
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 09:23:46 (permalink)
Check out Pianoteq (http://www.pianoteq.com) or True Keys: Pianos (https://vilabsaudio.com/)
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 10:27:07 (permalink)
Pianoteq and Ivory are the top choices IMHO.
 
If you like to tinker with the sound, Pianoteq is the one for you as just about every nuance of the sound can easily be changed.
It's also comparatively light on CPU and resources.
 
Ivory II is very demanding on resources especially when running full steam with all voices etc.
I like the Yamaha (included in the Grand Pianos package) and the Italian Grand.
With a good weighted controller, both play and sound very realistic.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 10:44:08 (permalink)
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+1 what Carl said. I own a Sampletekk 7CG and Ivory II. Both have wonderful piano sounds. Very playable too.
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 11:46:51 (permalink)
Also notice that Sampletekk has started the Summer Sale
http://www.sampletekk.com/
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 15:05:58 (permalink)
It is interesting how these massive sound libraries have changed our perceptions.  If you visit various schools, churches, auditoriums, and homes and play the pianos you find, I will bet no two of them sound alike; and that almost none of them will sound nearly as good as what we expect from our VIs.  The quality of the real pianos will vary widely and few of them will live in acoustic environments as pristine as those used to record the top libraries.  I have a good quality and well-reviewed digital piano in my living room (for non-studio stuff) and I don't like the way it sounds compared to Ivory; however, not long ago I was thrilled by the humble piano in the Roland Sound Canvas.
 
My point is that I love Ivory II, I know EastWest has a good product, etc.; but if I had nothing but the free piano bundled with Sonar or had to go back to one of my external MIDI keyboards, life would go on.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 17:50:29 (permalink)
Ivory II is a lot better than Ivory I and PianoTeq 4 is light years ahead of PianoTeq 3.
Just my opinion.
 
 
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 17:50:53 (permalink)
Ahh but Sampletekk needs Kontakt - might be a deal-breaker for some. ALL dimension pro (even the add-on libraries) pianos suck!! EP's included.
 
A.A.S. or G.S.I. EP's are the best - True P's Atlantis and Diamond modules are pretty good (the ones I currently have) but all the TP modules seem to suffer a "honkyness"  around C3 - C4 YMMV.
 
I am also looking for a new Acoustic Piano, that does NOT need Kontakt, nor a dongle...and is a reasonable price - ie under $200.
 
 
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/04 23:57:14 (permalink)
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/search.php?s=ivory+ii&Go=Search
 
Ivory II Grands is over $300 BUT includes three pianos.  You can get Ivory American D (Steinway) for well under $200 and it has received excellent reviews.  The way it is voiced, the single Steinway may be all you ever need.  Sound on Sound gave it a rave review.  Warning:  I think you will need an iLok for Ivory.  That has not been a problem for me but many people don't like it and it is an extra $30-40.  With the iLok you might be $20 over your budget but you will own a sampled piano that is as good as anything out there.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/05 00:48:15 (permalink)
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Ahh but Sampletekk needs Kontakt - might be a deal-breaker for some. ALL dimension pro (even the add-on libraries) pianos suck!! EP's included.
 
A.A.S. or G.S.I. EP's are the best - True P's Atlantis and Diamond modules are pretty good (the ones I currently have) but all the TP modules seem to suffer a "honkyness"  around C3 - C4 YMMV.
 
I am also looking for a new Acoustic Piano, that does NOT need Kontakt, nor a dongle...and is a reasonable price - ie under $200.
 
 




I'd check out Eighty Eight 2.0 from Sonivox.  I think the current 50% sale puts it at $75.   I'm in the same boat - I don't own Kontakt, I don't want a dongle, and I also have no internet connection on my DAW (XLN).   Oh, and I'm not even in the < $200 range.  
 
 

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Komplete 9, Melodyne Studio 4, Ozone 7 Advanced, Rapture Pro, GPO5, Valhalla Plate, MJUC comp, MDynamic EQ, lots of other freebie VST plugins, synths and Kontakt libraries
 
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Glyn Barnes
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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/05 01:15:52 (permalink)
joden
Ahh but Sampletekk needs Kontakt - might be a deal-breaker for some.



Not the Black. http://www.sampletekk.com/proddetail.php?prod=STDELIVER-039-KONT
 
This runs in the free Kontakt player. Its $50 in the current sale, which is exceptional value. This is now my go-to grand piano. It also has more control than the others, e.g. variable sympathetic resonance.
 
Out of the other (full Kontakt required) Sampletekk pianos I particularly like Old lady, Emperor and Estonia. Estonia is far from being the most detailed library but it just has a wonderful tone.
 
I absolutely concur with those that say True Pianos "Amber" is not as good as the other pianos in the full version. I like "Atlantis" best, followed by Diamond.

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Re: Suggestions for piano plugins 2013/07/05 02:29:01 (permalink)
I found Scarbee ALICIA'S KEYS absolutely perfect for me. Very tweakable and cheap...
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