Suggestions for sound proofing material?

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2013/03/31 19:47:50 (permalink)

Suggestions for sound proofing material?

Hey guys,
I just moved into a new home and set up my studio.  Only problem is the house has really thin walls and sound flows in and out of the room like the walls were made of paper.
I have decided to try and sound proof the room (not just "sound treatment", I want to block as much sound as possible)
Does anyone have any suggestions for the type of material I can use and/or any good websites that sell this kind of material.

I've done some Googling over the past couple of weeks and have seen a few sites claiming their products were the best, so it's not from a lack of information.
I just wanted to know if anyone has any preferences or personal recommendations for me?

Oh and I don't have enough money or experience to knock out the walls and do any kind of re-construction work, I'm just looking for the best material I can get to put on the walls.

Thanks,
Lee


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    The Maillard Reaction
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/03/31 19:53:29 (permalink)


    Sealing the sound out is the most effective first step.

    If you really need to augment the walls a traditional way is too install extra layers of dry wall, usually of varying thickness.

    Attic and or crawlspace can be places where sound actually leaks through cracks etc. Seal up the floor molding and the ceiling molding if you need to.

    Search out a Book called something like Studio Construction on a Budget by Everest and consider buying a copy before you get started. Many of the practical considerations are covered very thoughtfully in that book.

    http://www.amazon.com/Sound-Studio-Construction-Budget-Everest/dp/0070213828

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/03/31 21:14:59 (permalink)
    Thanks Mike, I'll definitely check it out.

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/03/31 22:12:25 (permalink)
    Yeah, the most traditional, but expensive, way is to make a double wall that isn't directly attached to the other wall (so the sound can't transmit from one to the other).  Then the gap is filled with a different type of sound-damping material.

    I also have the book Mike suggested and it will help get you started however, if you're on a budget, don't discount so-called cheap and cheesy solutions like hanging a blanket over a portable clothes rack (I use a couple of new, nice-looking, moving blankets since they're far more dense than a normal blanket).  You can also use similar techniques to make movable gobos with just about anything that's about 4' tall and any similar material hanging over it (like an old comforter).  I've also used a Chinese room divider with the moving blanket which gives the additional benefit of not offering a flat surface. 

    Here's a few of the objects I've used:








     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/03/31 23:28:50 (permalink)
    Doors leak a good deal of the sound, especially if they're not airtight. In fact doors are often the cause of most sound leakage. A good quality seal around the door frame can make a lot of difference, as can a door sweep. You can get soundproof door sweeps:

    http://soundproofing.org/...oundproofing_doors.htm

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/01 02:10:22 (permalink)
    ive built many sound proofing studios, rooms, music teaching cubes that are sound proofed, it all starts with the soundboard, the insulation(sound proofing insulation).
    soundboard is not easy to cut either, its almost like drywall but it takes multiple scores to cut it.
    sound rooms and sound proofing rooms are also 2 different worlds.
    as sharke said, in a sound proofing room, the door is everything, in sound rooms(rooms where sound leak is not highest priority but sound absorption is) the door isn't as critical, either is 2 ft to the floor but the floor needs needs something.
    http://www.homasote.com/products/440-Soundbarrier.aspx?gclid=CMCxg4DoqLYCFQyg4AodjAEA7Q
    post edited by chuckebaby - 2013/04/01 02:12:44

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/01 05:52:13 (permalink)
    Soundproofing:
    The best method is based on the 'Floating Room' design, it's like constructing a room inside a room. Also double door entry, additional drop ceiling and raised floor included. 


    BUT the room would have to be large enough to begin with or else it be studio city crammed in a closet...  Welcome to Claustrophobia Studios  

    So anyway, the gap between the original room and the newly constructed inner shell-room should be 1ft minimum especially for vulnerable areas....  

    Better results of course if the gap is much wider for example; the gap between the door entry (most vulnerable area) may need to be wider and better still, not directly opposite the original door. That type of entry would be no less than 4ft. 

    But to save on costs and not lose too much room size without too much compromise, make the gaps largest where the door is and adjoining walls of concern.  For all other walls of NO-concern the gap can be much smaller (4 or 6 inch), same space saving ideas may apply to floors and ceilings unless you have neighbors living above and/or below. 

    The inner wall additionally is lined with wool bats and finishing with 1/2 inch Gyprock (plasterboard) or otherwise known in the US as Drywall. 1/2 inch is considered fire-resistant and should suffice for intended use (sound proofing) but 1 inch would be better of course. If you can afford to spend more on material, get heavier concrete panels and/or natural stone/rock. 

    When you design the inner-shell wall you might want to angle off the corners, removing the right angles all whilst effectively creating a larger cavity/gap in what is another vulnerable area (corners) stuff those gaps with wool bats. Thereby reducing the need for building bass traps (although outer final room acoustic treatments such as foam or wool will be required.) But this also helps to better soundproof most vulnerable areas (doors, windows, corners) .......   

    Not done yet.... 

    Next up; Room Acoustic Treatments:
    For starters, foam and/or wool bats (preferably) and covering materials + dense-thick low pile carpet on the floor curved up along the skirting. And good placement of the desk and monitors. 

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/01 06:29:41 (permalink)
    There are a couple of other options... 




     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/01 07:40:09 (permalink)
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    There are a couple of other options... 





      
      Hmmm, I think your clothes rack would be more effective; 







     
     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/01 10:22:01 (permalink)
    I do not know what size rooms you have to work with, but i imagine that unless you live in a big castle or something, then you will not have the luxury of making a studio with a 2 foot gap all around it.

    I built an outside studio building from scratch, and if i were to have need to build a studio room inside a normal size house room, then i would use my same methods as it did not use up more space than necessary.

    I built the walls and roof with 4x2 timbers.
    The outside was clad with 12.5mm OSB timber boards, and then clad with timber cladding.
    The inside was clad with 12.5mm plasterboard sheets and then with another layer of 12.5mm Soundblock Plaster board sheets (twice as dense as std plasterboard)
    The walls were filled with high density Rockwool 100mm thick (60kg/M2 density).

    All interior gaps were sealed up with mastic.

    The roof was made in a similar method but with two layers of everything and then a pitched roof on top of that with 2 layers of 11.5mm plywood separated by a layer of roofing felt, and then the top waterproofed with 2 layers of roof felt (top layer Green mineral).

    The base is concrete with a Floating floor sitting on it. Made up from 50mm foam flooring sheets, then chipboard flooring sheets and a laminate floor floor for the finish.

    The total thickness of the walls is 8"

    I have 2x doors into the studio room, staggered at 90 degrees, forming a first entrance room where the PC is situated, and then the second door which leads into the studio room itself.



    THE MAIN POINT OF ALL THIS IS:
    I can play and sing at full volume, while outside no one can hear anything.

    I hope this is helpful to help you decide how to make best use of your space.


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/02 01:43:35 (permalink)
    Thanks again guys, all great suggestions. But as I said, I can't afford to do any type of reconstruction, so I guess what I am asking is what's the best material I can use on the existing walls. And I also plan to make the door as airtight as possible, using the material to make a seal between the door and wall.

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/02 08:06:09 (permalink)
    The only thing you can do on the existing walls is make them thicker or denser... that's why an extra layer of dry rock is useful... it does both things relatively cheaply.

    The thing is... doing anything to the walls is useless if the seals at the joints of the basic room shape are letting sound come around the thick wall.


    There are lots of convenient things you can use to absorb sound... which is good for managing sound that is in the room. Sound absorption materials do not necessarily help with sound "proofing"... they can absorb some of the sound getting in, but relying on absorption to control extraneous noise is the least efficient way to sound proof. 

    Sound absorption can help tailor the tonality of the room... that is where it is most useful... after you have settled with the sound proofing.


    That's the gist of what the book I have suggested will explain.

    all the best,
    mike


    post edited by mike_mccue - 2013/04/02 10:51:11


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/02 08:40:43 (permalink)
    Drywall is fairly cheap. An extra layer can be applied to the existing walls and no one is likely to notice the modification. The extra layer can be glued up with a product called Green Glue. This is a special resiliant adhesive that doesn't transmit sound well. Doubling the mass of the wall will give you a 35-50 db increase in transmission loss; using green glue gives about an extra 8-10 db of attenuation. Note that there is little you can do to stop very low frequencies below about 150Hz without taking drastic measures.


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/02 10:46:32 (permalink)
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    Note that there is little you can do to stop very low frequencies below about 150Hz without taking drastic measures.

    True dat.  The best I did was to put my bass stack on Aurelex Gramma Pads to reduce the transmission through the floor.
     

     


     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 11:46:06 (permalink)
    That really works? I'd assumed they were a scam.


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 13:27:16 (permalink)
    +1  to what bitflipper said about an extra layer of drywall and Green Glue. That's what I used when I built my basement studio, and it's really quiet down here.
     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 13:34:07 (permalink)
    is there really that much of a difference in standard glue compared to green glue?
    ive typically used liquid nail in my applications.

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 13:55:13 (permalink)
    I will guess that it is the basic physics of differing densities being sandwiched together rather than the particular material.

    But this page has all the links to the test data that refutes my guess:

    http://www.greengluecompany.com/test-data


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 20:33:21 (permalink)
    If you're going to add drywall, you might as well blow in insulation in the existing cavity first. Blown in cellulose - does a pretty good job. It has a higher density than fiberglass and fills voids pretty well.

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 22:04:27 (permalink)
    Contrary to intuition, filling the cavity does very little to improve isolation, but it does help keep the cavity from resonating. Of course, you could always pour cement in there instead - that would certainly cut down transmission! :)


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 22:24:09 (permalink)
    +1 on the Greenglue. I used it between two layers of drywall on my ceiling and walls. Together, they work great.

    Also.....please correct me on this hypothesis/assumption.....

    Some absorption will help reduce the amount of noise that reflects and penetrates doors, windows and opposing walls, etc., reducing very slightly the amount of sound heard externally.

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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/03 22:38:42 (permalink)
    More sound proofing options...





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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/04 02:55:59 (permalink)
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    More sound proofing options...




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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/04 03:53:52 (permalink)
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    Aww man, just look at that poor girl, she's not happy!!  

    No SongCraft, she's not.  In fact, she's not a Dwarf at all.

     
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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/04 10:48:42 (permalink)
    Some absorption will help reduce the amount of noise that reflects and penetrates doors, windows and opposing walls, etc., reducing very slightly the amount of sound heard externally.

    The operative phrase here is "very slightly". Sound-proofing (isolation) mainly happens because of reflection rather than absorption. 


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    Re:Suggestions for sound proofing material? 2013/04/04 11:07:41 (permalink)
    +1 on Bit & Mike's extra layer of drywall.  It's important that some kind of absorption like the Green Glue or even roofing felt goes between the layers.  Green Glue does work but $$$!  GOOD LUCK!



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