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2007/05/20 16:04:05 (permalink)

SuperHero

Lot's 'O Stuff on this one! I know I have a few flubbs on the acoustic, but I like the energy behind this. Please let me know what you think and let me have it as far as composition, mix, and whatever you want to throw at me. As always, I appreciate those who take the time to listen and comment. Warning!! It's a bit lengthy, so please bear with me. Thanks.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 16:19:25 (permalink)
    Larry,

    This is an excellent piece, very nice, great vibe and motion in the acoustic guitar parts. Synth parts are very complementary and appropriately subtle. A slight nit pick on the mix: the guitar lead work around 2:40 seems a bit bright or hyped in the high end to me (headphones). Man I really like this progression and the feeling you captured here. Good work on all the instruments. Well done.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 16:26:56 (permalink)
    Wow Larry, this is excellent. What an incredibly deep piece. I don't find any objections to the mix at all.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 17:05:42 (permalink)
    Great tune! i'm glad you didnt put the keyboard away; the keys sound fantastic on this, very creative and great contrast to the guitar work, which is also top notch.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 18:56:17 (permalink)
    Bill, Mark, Kevin,
    Hey, thanks for the listen and comments. I know it still needs a bit of work, but I got tired of working on it and decided to post anyways. It'll be in the "hopper" for me to polish on a rainy day. There always seems to be a sonic loss or weirdness whenever I mix down to mp3 and then to Soundclick. Never sounds as good to my ears when I listen to it in Sonar. My wife actually listened to this and gave me the thumbs up. That's a first!!


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 23:06:46 (permalink)
    Larry, cool tune. Guitar and bass line are very interesting. Some of the synth elements are a bit distracting, though; I think used a bit less frequently an judicious balancing with the acoustic guitar should do it.
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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 23:54:31 (permalink)
    Larry, WOW, yeah there is some energy there and it sounds really good. Excellent guitar and, by the way, I sure didn't hear many flubs! It's not too lengthy when the quality is that high. I agree with ed_mcg on the synth elements........seem to be just a bit overdone and distract from that beautiful guitar just a little too much. I also would like to hear just a tad more of the bass. Very, very nice Larry........now, go rest those fingers!! Press ON!!!!!
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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/20 23:56:43 (permalink)
    Hey Larry. Nice tune and nice playing on this. Definitely keep the keyboard going too.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 10:32:14 (permalink)
    Ed, Duane , Jeff,
    Thanks for the wonderful comments. Yeah, I did try to stuff 10lbs. of keyboard into a 5lb. bag! But it was fun. I was trying to create this "epic" piece. I'll take a break from it for now, then come back and tweak it. Thanks for giving it a listen and helpful advice. You guys are great.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 11:41:04 (permalink)
    Best so far. I love this track, the way it moves and the balance you have here. You tamed the top end on that guitar too, it all sounds really nice.
    One day , one of those days when your fingers can do no wrong, you should retake the lead as this piece really is worth the extra effort.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 12:38:24 (permalink)
    Nice work. I'd have to agree and say it's your best one yet. I don't think this little gem is going to take much polishing to shine even brighter. There is a sound in there that sounds like a heavy linked chain rattling. That was a subtle but cool little addition.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 12:41:31 (permalink)
    Not a bad tune Larry. I think it would add another dimension to things if you'd come in with two acoustic guitars strumming with force where the melody picks back up at 1:22 until 1:55.

    Thanks for the tribute man. That reminds me, I have to pick up my cape and tights from the cleaners.
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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 15:19:36 (permalink)
    Nick- Thanks for listening. I used to play much more fluently. I think rust comes with age! I'll have to start those guitar exercises again so I can go thru those lines without getting my fingers stuck in the strings.

    Tony- I appreciate you taking the time to listen. That was some sort of exotic percussion sound. I was trying to emulate this battle going on between good and evil, hence, all the weird noises.

    Joe Bravo- An honor to have you listening to my song! I hope you told the cleaners to go easy on the starch!! That's a neat idea with the 2 guitars. Hmmmm.





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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 16:45:26 (permalink)
    I like that. I agree with the others that this is one that it would be worth the effort to go back and really polish until it's all the way there. I don't know if you are like me, and get the post-partem depression after you get one to this point and it's really hard to face going back and really re-working it. I find it hard to do. One of the problems is that, despite saying I won't do any processing or mixing until I have all the parts in the can and as completely right as I can forsee the need for, I never do it. And once I get a reasonable mix done, so much has gone into it that I'm loath step back and punt.
    post edited by droddey - 2007/05/21 16:50:12

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 17:37:27 (permalink)
    Dean,
    Yep, you hit the nail on the head! Because I put so much into this piece already, I can't redo and remix too soon. Maybe a few months from now when I'm not working on any other tunes, I can go back and adjust. Someday.................... It would be a wonderful thing to get it all right the 1st time around, but I think that's a rarity. Thanks for listening.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 18:19:23 (permalink)
    One thing I've been forcing myself to do is develop my editing and punch-in techniques. You can really do a lot with what's there without having to competely re-work it. You can select a note that's bad, cut it out and punch another in. You can select a chord that's off in timing, cut it out to a separate clip and nudge it to the right place, then bounce it back the to clip. There are various tools to do pitch correction if you have one or two flubbed notes in an otherwise good section.

    All kinds of stuff can be done if you have a piece that's 90% there, and you don't want to lose what is often a kind of spontaneity that seems never to be there on the subsequent re-do.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 18:43:17 (permalink)
    Dean,
    I have to stop being lazy and actually start doing the things you mentioned before I post. I know it's just a matter of biting the bullet and getting to work. Sometimes if there's too much editing to be done, I'm better off redoing the track. Sooner or later I'll work on it. Thanks.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 18:50:14 (permalink)
    Sheesh Larry, that is some awesome acoustic picking there. Really just a great instrumental piece. Nice subtle keys. This has a real emotional vibe to it. Nice work.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 19:00:53 (permalink)
    Randy,
    Thanks for the kind words, man! My heart is in this one.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 19:21:54 (permalink)
    Hey, that's good. Love the complexity and feel. May I recommend a little dryer...not much...just a little? Also, some of the "electro-tom" hits later in the piece, for me, take a way a bit. What do you think???

    Nice composition and work so far!

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 20:11:22 (permalink)
    Tombo,
    Thanks for the feed-back. I'm still learning my way around the keyboard ( Korg X50 ), and it's sounds. I was trying to emulate a sort of a "fight scene", so I used what I thought was appropriate. ( ya know, Biff, Bash, Punch, etc.) I know that I'll have to re-visit this piece when I'm ready and make some changes. I'm definitly going thru this learning curve stage, as I'm so used to just playing guitar. You're advice is very helpful and much appreciated. Practice makes perfect. Mark, someday when you're bored, stop by and visit your old stomping grounds. You can give me some guitar & mixing lessons.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 20:30:02 (permalink)
    I would definitely recommend getting something better than the keyboard for doing drums (if that's what you are using for the drums.) I have a pretty inexpensive M-Audio Trigger Finger and it is hugely better for drumming than a keyboard. The keyboard keys have way too much travel to be good for percussive stuff. It really made a big difference in my drum tracks to move to a dedicated input surface for that kind of stuff. You can be so much more accurate and get so much better control over dynamics.
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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 20:47:53 (permalink)
    Dean,
    I'll have to check it out. I just bought a yamaha motif rack module today as the sounds are fantastic. Oh, while I was responding to you, I went on the Sweetwater site and saw that unit and a few others. That is a fair price and there are cheaper ones listed as well. Thanks for mentioning this!!


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 21:17:19 (permalink)
    Very nice effort. Has a nice feel to it and keeps your attention. Backgrounds have a spacy feel and keeps you wondering. Gret acoustical jam. Praise the Lord. Amen!

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 21:37:05 (permalink)
    Thanks John,
    Your comments are greatly appreciated. I had fun.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/21 22:01:36 (permalink)
    like ed i wasn't into the synth bits - i can see them worked in lightly but the vox sound is a little much for me. i would go for more of an ambient strings but i'm a strings kind of guy. =) the guitar work was really good. i have only one comment on the lead section: during the beginning of the lead the main guitar itself is a little swamped by the delay, and rather than widening the sound it makes it sound smaller. later on though it sounds fine.

    the 80's synth drum machine (+ vox hits?) was totally out of place for me, but i'm not an 80's fan =) overall i liked it.

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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/22 09:48:11 (permalink)
    Jack,
    Thanks for the comments. At least your honest! I'll keep hammering away at the synth until I get it right someday.


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/22 11:25:36 (permalink)
    Nice song. The acoustic came out very crisp in my PC speakers. There was a part with some synth panning at around 1:15 going from L to R that was a bit too distracting. Perhaps make the pan less pronounced. Very nice layering of the underlying picking progression. It has a very nice ebb and flow to it. The spacey synths in the background fill out the piece very well.

    Very nice work. Great title too! - Matthew
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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/22 19:39:14 (permalink)
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    Jack,
    Thanks for the comments. At least your honest!


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    RE: SuperHero 2007/05/23 11:07:52 (permalink)
    Matthew,
    Thanks for listening and the advice on the mix. I've made up my mind to remix this piece soon. I need to slow down and rethink and LISTEN to the parts a little more carefully. Sometimes I get a little too excited or have flooded my ears with a song so much, that the details go unnoticed by me. I need to be a bit more disciplined in listening to my stuff a day or 2 later after the project is done. That way my ears are fresh and I can hear the tonal, panning, instrumentation, etc. in a different way.


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