Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets

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2012/09/01 13:45:05 (permalink)

Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets

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Do any of you folks use the Superior Drummer 2.0  Producer Presets?
 
Just wondering if anyone finds them useful, or whether they prefer to process the sounds themselves?
 
 
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    mixmkr
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/01 13:54:10 (permalink)
    I made a couple of personal presets that I gravitate to most of the time, but they eat up more RAM, so I don't always start with those if I'm just needing a beat.

    I find the producer presets are good, but seem extracted from another song and then don't fit as well in the "next" song, if that makes sense.

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/01 14:03:38 (permalink)
    I prefer to deal w/ only one mixer, so I usually avoid doing anything in SD's own mixer - just route everything to my DAW's own mixer and mix from there. 

    I also feel that the drums in SD are already sculpted/pre-produced as much as I like them to be - what's left to be tweaked depends on the song and the arrangement, so I prefer to do that myself.

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/01 14:40:28 (permalink)
    I found them to be a bit educational.  Some settings are a bit shocking because they don't conform to the Cakewalk Forum standard of ways to do things.  

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/01 16:21:29 (permalink)
    I have a few of the presets. They are great for learning the process of how to get a particular kit sound. After you have learned what does what, you can better understand how to get your own personal kit sounds. Some of the presets can be very deep and confusing but they are worth the small price just from the educational aspect, as Mod Bod advised!

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/01 16:24:54 (permalink)
    I have a few of them (the producer ones) but have found that they never quite "fit" for my tunes.  I just do it myself now.
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/02 06:13:21 (permalink)
    Thanks for that guys. That was good info and advice.
     
    I may select a couple at random and examine them. They are fairly cheap after all.
     
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/02 08:14:52 (permalink)
    The Steve Slate presets makes it sound like Steve Slate drums. I think that's well worth it. It uses the Superior FX on each part, which means it's going to use more juice. Mind you, that's the general idea otherwise the drums would sound raw anyway. Snappy drums for a few euros.
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/02 08:45:42 (permalink)
    Mod Bod


    I found them to be a bit educational.  Some settings are a bit shocking because they don't conform to the Cakewalk Forum standard of ways to do things.  


    could you elaborate on that Dave?

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/02 11:08:05 (permalink)
    FYI audiodeluxe.com now carries these along with other toontrack ezmix presets, etc. for a discounted price. 
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/02 12:03:12 (permalink)
    Cheers guys.

    I'll take that advice Strikinglyhandsome1 and get Steven Slate's presets as my analysis of how the sounds can be tweaked. I always wondered what his drums sounded like. At £8 GBP it's a no brainer.

    Gmon72. I was already eyeing up the EZ Keys Rock & Pop midi on Audio Deluxe. Seems they are the cheapest for most stuff just now. Cooool...

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/03 21:33:07 (permalink)
    late to the party, but here's a true story.

    Working on a song with the golden ears of one Mr. Danny Danzi.

    I use a Superior Preset. Upon first preview Danny says "Those toms at the end are distorted".

    I sez no (in my head). After much experimenting I could only hear the distortion when I turned off the (not Toonrack) reverb (UAD EMT 140 IIRC).

    After much more research I find that the culprit was the Superior compressor (i.e. turn it off distortion goes away). Problem solved.

    Now, here's the bigger problem.  I can't tell Toontrack which preset it is because:

    a) once you choose the preset you lose all knowledge of which one you chose (and I had experimented with so many I just don't recall which it was)

    b) I owned all the Producer Presets at the time* and I was not about to go experiment and find the culprit and I was too lazy to try and manually recreate the whole chain because I delete the entire (Superior) preset and did it "the right way**"

    * I no longer buy Producer Presets
    ** I do it the prescribed Cakewalk Forum way now
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 05:30:49 (permalink)
    That would be preset 'distorted toms'

    I'm not a big fan of presets for drums really although there is some educational aspect to seeing how people use the programme. The Slate one isn't bad as I don't see it as presets as such. It's just him getting Superior to sound like his own stuff. Gotta love Transient Designers.
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 11:09:51 (permalink)
    It is somewhat educational to look at the presets, just to see what can be done and to get some ideas. 

    But whoever created them - probably an employee of Toontrack despite the well-known producer-endorsee's name on them - seemed more intent on showing off every effect than really getting a good drum sound that fits in a mix. The presets I've seen are over the top (e.g. EQ on every virtual mic, compression galore) and designed to sound good on a drum solo.



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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 11:11:54 (permalink)
    bitflipper


    The presets I've seen are over the top (e.g. EQ on every virtual mic, compression galore) and designed to sound good on a drum solo.

    Especially the "distorted toms" solo.
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 12:19:50 (permalink)
    Mod Bod

     Some settings are a bit shocking because they don't conform to the Cakewalk Forum standard of ways to do things.   

    The forum has a standard??  

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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 12:25:17 (permalink)
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 18:52:58 (permalink)
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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/04 19:20:26 (permalink)
    bitflipper

     It's a small seedy joint on the main drag in Anchorage.



    It is best to remove the seeds before hitting that "seedy" joint.  Sorry, I just had to say that.


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    Re:Superior Drummer 2 - Producer Presets 2012/09/07 18:47:10 (permalink)
    Thanks again guys for pitching in.

    Good info and advice.

    Cheers

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