yorolpal
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Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
No biggie but Im in the middle of a project in X2prod and my Superior Drummer midi track is showing up as notes in the PRV and not "drums". Did I hit something by mistake and is there a quick way to revert back? Thanks.
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yorolpal
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/04 22:42:29
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 03:14:19
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Are you using as Drum Map? AFAIK, that's the only way to get them to show up as diamonds
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 06:09:54
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Yeah, check the midi track is feeding a drum map and not the drum synth direct.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 11:30:30
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Thanks...will do. It's weird cause in the past any time I loaded a new VST drum program (EZD, Addictive, Slate, etc...) it has automatically been represented in the PRV as "drums". I'll check it out tho:-)
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 11:59:21
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I've just started experiencing this as well. @Colin & Karyn the drum map out will show the triangles (??) in the drum map but a drum synth selected directly should show diamonds in the PRV, they now show 'regular' PRV notes. I'm not sure when it changed as I don't very often go direct to synth but it has at some point.  It's only affecting Session drummer though, hardware drum synths display as expected.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 12:25:35
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My PRV in X2 producer is still riddled with quirks and anomalies. I still have the "no notes on entering" thingy and the "random snap changes" thingy and the "view resolution set to minimum on entering" thingy and the "I still can't remember how to always have all the snap and note entry settings on all the different thingys that have to be set just right to have it work like I want...thingy" along with others which now includes the "I'm not going to show your drums as "drums" thingy. That's just too many thingys. Don't ya thank????
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 13:01:00
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I've just checked this in X1 and Session Drummer displays as notes there too. I perhaps wouldn't notice as 95% of my drum work is with maps and the 5% that isn't is usually solely hardware. Perhaps it's always been that way with softsynth drums?  It doesn't appear new to X2 here anyway. Not that helps you much though.... I still see the PRV fully zoomed out occasionally but don't have any snap issues although I have seen others mention them.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 14:13:54
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A synth is a synth, regardless of what noises it makes. PRV has no way of knowing if your synth is a drum synth or not, or even a drum patch on a "standard" synth. To make the PRV display diamonds instead of rectangles you have to tell it you want diamonds. You do that by pointing the midi out to a drum map.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 14:20:59
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But I thought diamonds were forever?? But even tho they seem to be (one special) girls best friend I'm gonna map me some too!! :-)
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 14:21:12
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I beg to differ Karyn but the diamonds displayed in the PRV 'regular' view note pane (not drum map 'stood up' triangles) are definitely present for hardware drum synths. I thought they were for Soft synth drums as well but I don't know that for fact so I'll have to let Yorolpal argue that case. I don't use soft synth drums outside of drum maps often enough to know, but they are definitely there for hardware. The drum map triangles look different and are only visible in the drum map pane. I'll get a screenshot together to show what I mean.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 14:34:03
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I'm startin to remember that Karyn is probably right. My old Normal template had EZDrummer (track folder) already loaded and mapped and I recently switched to Superior instead. Which would lead one to see why I now have notes instead of diamonds. However, I've done two previous projects with the new Superior drummer template which DID show diamonds before this latest project that's reverted back to notes. Personnally I think it's Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 14:53:29
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yorolpal I'm startin to remember that Karyn is probably right. My old Normal template had EZDrummer (track folder) already loaded and mapped and I recently switched to Superior instead. Which would lead one to see why I now have notes instead of diamonds. However, I've done two previous projects with the new Superior drummer template which DID show diamonds before this latest project that's reverted back to notes. Personnally I think it's Colonel Mustard in the Library with the candlestick. Could well be regarding Session Drummer, I don't use it as a direct synth much, if ever, but I've done a bit of digging and it seems to be related to channel assignment on soft synths TTS-1 for example will show diamonds but only on channel 10 with a drum patch loaded. My hardware synths show them on any channel but they are assigned via instrument files which is probably relevant. Whether Session Drummer has ever worked or not I have no idea but others do. Anyway as promised screenshots...both from the same track, the first assigned to a drum map the next assigned straight to the synth.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 16:19:44
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FastBikerBoy I beg to differ Karyn but the diamonds displayed in the PRV 'regular' view note pane (not drum map 'stood up' triangles) are definitely present for hardware drum synths. For a hardware drum synth, the midi data is simply being output through a hardware midi port rather than an internal virtual midi port. Sonah doesn't know or care what is attached or where the midi data is going, it just sends it. This is where the drum map comes in. Not only does it define the instrument/note names and the midi note that is output for any played midi note in the track, but each instrument/note can also go to a defined midi output. So you could have the whole drum kit being played by SessionDrummer except the snare, played by BFD, and the kick played by an external hardware drum machine. The instrument definitions are simply preloaded maps with all the correct settings for the particular instrument you selected.
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Re:Superior Drummer showing up as notes not diamonds in PRV all of a sudden...
2012/11/05 16:43:56
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Understood, but TTS-1 will display diamonds as well when a track is routed directly, though it does need to be on channel 10 for that to happen. Try it. Insert TTS-1, assign a track directly to it on channel 10 with a drum kit loaded then open the PRV and draw notes. You'll see diamonds instead of regular notes. I can't swear to it but I thought Session Drummer used to as well. Even if it doesn't it seems a bit illogical to have a GM soft synth displaying the drum diamonds but a drum synth doesn't. That must be a bug surely?
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