THambrecht
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Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
... I read in german posts to some articles that a lot of users are skeptical changing to a new DAW. Again there is the fear that DAWs like Cubase or Studio One don't survive the next 10 years. The people are very uncertain. For example Steinberg Cubase is wholly owned by Yamaha. I also read that a lot of people really hope, that Cakewalk is bought by any company. I'm also insecure. I don't want to change to an other DAW which will also be closed in 5 years.
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 12:16:58
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☄ Helpfulby kitekrazy1 2017/11/23 17:10:58
Cubase isn't going anywhere...most independent professional orchestrators, film and game composers, and others LOVE IT! Presonus seems to appeal to rockers and has killer integrated hardware... doubt its going anywhere either... Quit whining! Figure out what speakes to you and grab hold. Any of these, including current Sonar, is a miracle when viewed against what I had a decade or more ago... As The Craig notes,in his song, "when the grid goes down..." you REALLY need to focus on OTHER REEEEAAAL problems... your worries are pretty xxxxxxx... Gosh, I gotta get out of here! CU... I'm out!
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35mm
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 13:23:45
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Some years ago I would never have thought Cakewalk would go. At the end of the day, you can't grow too close to any tools as you always run this risk of something like this happening at some point in the future. Times change. I guess all those users here that are still running Sonar 8.5 are now laughing. They won't have to worry.
Splat, Win 10 64bit and all sorts of musical odds and sods collected over the years, but still missing a lot of my old analogue stuff I sold off years ago.
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 13:27:28
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☄ Helpfulby backwoods 2017/11/23 20:40:33
35mm Some years ago I would never have thought Cakewalk would go. At the end of the day, you can't grow too close to any tools as you always run this risk of something like this happening at some point in the future. Times change. I guess all those users here that are still running Sonar 8.5 are now laughing. They won't have to worry.
And if you did have 8.5 ( Like me :D ) .. then its still downloadable from your account / MY PRODUCTS Section. Then you dont have to worry either :D
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35mm
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 13:35:56
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I do have 8.5 :) I don't want to use that again though!
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dubdisciple
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 16:47:00
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Presonus can use successful hardware business to drive software business. They will likely be fine.
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kitekrazy1
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 17:10:11
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dubdisciple Presonus can use successful hardware business to drive software business. They will likely be fine.
and it's their own creation unlike Tascam-Gigastudio, Mackie-Tracktion When hardware companies acquire someone's software it's a big risk. Yamaha had their own DAW and was also in software development then they acquired Steinberg. DAW users try to persuade software developers to move into the hardware market. While Ableton has Push there are users who have concern updates concern hardware more than software features. Reason tried having their own hardware - failed. BTW VST support brought them some more life as this DAW was going downhill fast.
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michael diemer
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 18:50:21
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☄ Helpfulby sonarman1 2017/11/24 12:52:05
35mm Some years ago I would never have thought Cakewalk would go. At the end of the day, you can't grow too close to any tools as you always run this risk of something like this happening at some point in the future. Times change. I guess all those users here that are still running Sonar 8.5 are now laughing. They won't have to worry.
I'M definitely not laughing. I have already cried over this. As a former president once said, "I feel your pain." I may be losing the best forum on the internet, a place I visit constantly even though I've been mostly using Reaper the last year and a half. This forum is irreplaceable.
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chilldanny
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 20:33:19
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I can safely say with a great deal of certainty that the likes of Logic, Pro Tools, and Ableton Live will be around for a very long time to come. This is simply because they all have a well developed and established niche in the music software market, this breeds confidence in those products and as such, they receive the lion's share of the (ever shrinking) revenue stream. I work in the education sector here in the UK, delivering music and music tech courses up to degree level. I can't tell you how much we spend on software licenses obviously, but what I can tell you is that it is one of our largest spends, year after year. Can you imagine how much revenue Apple, Avid and Ableton generate through the education sector alone? Worldwide? It is all about confidence. Pick one of the above and you'll be able to spend your hard earned with confidence, a safe purchase. I think the wisest advice I could ever give among the sadness and aftermath of Cakewalk's cruel demise, is to learn and use multiple DAW's. There are many of them and they're all great, find a couple that you like and get busy. Then at least, you're covered if anyone should ever try and do a Gibson on you. Personally I fully intend to use Sonar for many many more projects and feel no need to suddenly move to something else entirely. My system works very well and handles all I could ever need, and so will now be forever frozen in time as my dedicated Sonar Platinum machine. Try not to fear the change, embrace it. Many creative discoveries await you
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Soundwise
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 22:08:40
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THambrecht I'm also insecure. I don't want to change to an other DAW which will also be closed in 5 years.
I absolutely agree. Software is overprice. Physical gear can be obtained at lower price, will last lifetime, almost always has open architecture (can be maintained and fixed by any qualified engineer). Also each piece of hardware involves production, packaging, logistic, storage costs, taxes, salaries, etc., that is, besides development cost. I have come to conclusion, that software more often than not is overhyped and overpriced. Most of the good folks from the Deals forum will agree on that. So I'll stay with what I already have and not gonna spend my money on any product that's not heavily discounted.
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Rain
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 22:40:45
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I was more worried about Steinberg last decade when they were acquired by Pinnacle and then sold to Yamaha shortly after. But Yamaha seems to have been taking great care of Steinberg. Too bad things didn't go the same way with Roland and Cakewalk.
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paulo
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/23 22:59:58
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Rain I was more worried about Steinberg last decade when they were acquired by Pinnacle and then sold to Yamaha shortly after. But Yamaha seems to have been taking great care of Steinberg. Too bad things didn't go the same way with Roland and Cakewalk.
Oh man......Steinberg/Pinnacle was when I first dipped my toes into the DAW world with whatever the junior version of Cubase was at that time.......... It didn't go well. It just crashed on me every time I changed a synth patch and the support was hopeless. In the end I just threw it away and went back to my old way of doing things until I was in a studio one day and the guy there was using Sonar which I'd never even heard of before. I sat and watched him do his thing for a while and it just seemed so much more intuitive than whatever Cubase version I had. I had been just about to drop big ££ on a new workstation type keyboard upgrade, but binned that idea there and then, bought Sonar instead and never looked back. (until now )
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Resonant Serpent
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/24 00:33:08
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paulo
Rain I was more worried about Steinberg last decade when they were acquired by Pinnacle and then sold to Yamaha shortly after. But Yamaha seems to have been taking great care of Steinberg. Too bad things didn't go the same way with Roland and Cakewalk.
Oh man......Steinberg/Pinnacle was when I first dipped my toes into the DAW world with whatever the junior version of Cubase was at that time.......... It didn't go well. It just crashed on me every time I changed a synth patch and the support was hopeless. In the end I just threw it away and went back to my old way of doing things until I was in a studio one day and the guy there was using Sonar which I'd never even heard of before. I sat and watched him do his thing for a while and it just seemed so much more intuitive than whatever Cubase version I had. I had been just about to drop big ££ on a new workstation type keyboard upgrade, but binned that idea there and then, bought Sonar instead and never looked back. (until now)
Those were rough days for Cubase. I bought it also at that time, and ended up selling it shortly after. I had the dreaded bug where MIDI and audio wouldn't line up, and no one could solve it on Windows. I've been using Cubase since 7, and every release has only gotten better. Cubase 9.5 is everything that everything that Sonar 8.5.3 should have become. Support does take longer to answer than they used to, but I've yet to run into a problem that couldn't be answered by posting on the forum. I'd say it has a solid future since it's one of the most popular daws on the planet, and has a long list of high profile users in every genre of music.
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denverdrummer
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/24 00:39:19
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Hanz Zimmer uses Cubase exclusively for scoring. It's not going anywhere. It's the king of Midi for DAW's. While Pro Tools is the king for large studios, the midi in Pro Tools is probably the worst among any DAW.
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sonarman1
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Re: Survival of Cubase, Studio One and other DAWs ...
2017/11/24 13:01:06
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Reposting here. This is the facebook fanbase of these official facebook pages. Cakewalk Soft 143kPresonus 218kPro Tools 140KAvid 185KSteinberg 203KAbleton 622kAbleton Live 253kThis can by no mean help us know the market share but these numbers do matter. Ableton Live is for sure having a huge userbase. Protools despite low fanbase is used a lot by pros and is sold along with Avid Hardware. That makes lot of profit. Ableton also sells hardware controllers. So I guess Ableton and Pro Tools has huge market share. Presonus is doing well and they are good at selling hardwares as well. They must be making very good profits. Cubase is heavily priced and still has long standing followers. Steinberg might not be doing excellent business as Ableton and Protools but I dont think they will go down anytime. If at all any such situation occurs I am sure its loyal millionaire producers will fund it. Despite not covering the huge mac userbase cakewalk was hugely successful. They weren't doing excellent in the market but they were doing fine. The problem is they had no expensive hardware to sell along with it to make business. And very unfortunate to land in the hands of Gibson
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