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2018/04/16 09:37:38 (permalink)

Swamp Blues - mix comments

Hi all, please let me know how the mix is going...
 
https://soundcloud.com/user-186908625/swamp-blues
 
Thanks a lot
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/16 15:11:26 (permalink)
Great song needs a bit of magic on the mix but very tight, Thanks
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/16 21:32:16 (permalink)
What do you suggest on the mix?
 
Edit: Earlier mixes were very weak on the bass side of things. I changed it in that regard. 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/17 16:32:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby montezuma 2018/04/20 02:39:30
There is a lot of goodness in this mix in terms of clarity, balance and panning. But I hear a lot of frequency masking, and a general lack of the "sparkle" frequencies up top. An exciter and/or EQ on the snare and tambourine would help them cut through. Look at applying complementary EQ to make the left and right rhythm guitars contrast better - they're too similar.
 
I'd also apply some volume automation to bring out some of the little touches like the answering guitar licks leading into the bridge. While listening to a mix, try to identify - moment by moment - the one thing that you want the listener to focus on most and make sure that thing rises to the top. Even if it's just a one-second phrase or accent.


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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/17 23:05:46 (permalink)
Thanks a lot bitflipper. I'm really struggling with mixing. I can't hear accurately what's going on and my 'mixing vocabulary' is weak. It's really discouraging to go to so much trouble to record and then not be able to represent things in the mix.
 
I have a lot of trouble with tones...drums, guitars and bass though in the recording phase, so it's not only mixing.
 
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/19 21:07:22 (permalink)
Pull the kick back a little and take some of the top off it. A bit more verb on the drums, vocals, and main guitar would help it too. Don't drench it. Just take it out for a short swim. You recorded the instruments fine, but it sounds like you've got quite a bit of compression or limiting going on with the mix. You're very close. It's a 5-minute fix. Just padding that kick will help a lot.
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/20 00:41:16 (permalink)
Thank you sir. I'll give that a go
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/20 13:19:15 (permalink)
I liked the song the more I listened.  I too am weak on mixing.  I can mix dry tracks get them balanced and then add some effects but I leave the fine mixing to my pard, Mark Cline.  I agree that something is holding it back from being all that it can be but I cant say what.  I just wante you to know it is a cool song and a fun listen!

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/20 23:05:49 (permalink)
Like the song, not in a position to give mixing advise. Can just comment that it sounds a bit "muffeled"  in some sort of way to me. 

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/21 06:16:11 (permalink)
I would tend to agree. It sounds 'ok' on 3 out of the 4 headphones I own...but tends to sound a tad muffled on my Sennheiser hd280 pros. I would guess that I haven't been able to zero in on the frequencies I ought to have, as a result of poor monitoring during the mix stage. 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/22 16:57:03 (permalink)
All the sound (sorry) advice has been given above so I will not reiterate.

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/22 21:55:15 (permalink)
I think the hi hat/cymbal might be too loud, and covering your vocal a little bit. Have you eq'd the hi hat so that everything below 800k is gone??
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/23 01:16:48 (permalink)
Sounded real good on my portapro cans. Hit material

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/23 09:10:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby montezuma 2018/04/23 23:16:31
I liked your song..
The comments are already given and there isn't anything I can add too.
I would be willing to have a go at mixing for you if you wouldn't mind sharing your stems.
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/23 23:15:59 (permalink)
Geez Gary, I'd be very interested in that. Let me know if you are still keen. 
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 11:55:39 (permalink)
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Geez Gary, I'd be very interested in that. Let me know if you are still keen. 
 
Thanks


I sure am...
send a link and we will see what we can do.  :-)
You can send via pm if you like...
 
Maybe have a little competition on here and see what others can do with it?  :-)

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 12:28:04 (permalink)
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Geez Gary, I'd be very interested in that. Let me know if you are still keen. 
 
Thanks


I sure am...
send a link and we will see what we can do.  :-)
You can send via pm if you like...
 
Maybe have a little competition on here and see what others can do with it?  :-)




How about on Dropbox? I can upload to there and send a download link. I have to kind of tidy up my tracks because I tended to just open new tracks for little bits here and there. I'll have to consolidate like tracks so that the upload isn't huge. Anyway, I'll post back here when I've uploaded everything. Might be a day or two.
 
Thanks very much for your interest. Frankly, I'm not happy with the sound of any of my mixes. But just today I took possession of some 8 inch Yamaha's and am almost finished mixing a new song. I'll go out on a limb and say that the 8 inch sound has improved my mixing quite a bit. It's too early to know for sure, but I'm guessing that my old 5 inch Mackies might have been really making things tough in mixing...because I think I might have been perpetually buggering up the low end...which effects everything down the line...it effects how you mix the vocals...guitars...everything. With the 8 inch Yamahas suddenly the low end is represented better, and I can kind of lock it in and build around it. This is my hunch. I'll post the new song tomorrow or so and see what anyone else has to say.
 
Anyone who would be interested can sure have a go at mixing Swamp Blues.
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 13:19:46 (permalink)
GREAT song performed really well.
I'm not sure if you were going for it but the dry mix has a 70's vibe to it that I would hate to take away completely. 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 13:27:34 (permalink)
Dropbox would be fine...  looking forward to it. :-)

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 13:50:51 (permalink)
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GREAT song performed really well.
I'm not sure if you were going for it but the dry mix has a 70's vibe to it that I would hate to take away completely. 




Nah I wasn't really going for that...but I'll take it! Ha thanks. My main preoccupation is with trying to get songs to sound kind of equal across as many listening scenarios as possible. It's frustrating when you put a lot of effort into recording and mixing...and then it sucks the second it's listened to on anything except what it was mixed on. We all have this issue I guess. It's a tough one.
 
 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/24 13:52:17 (permalink)
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Dropbox would be fine...  looking forward to it. :-)




No problem...I'll get it sorted over the next couple of days. Cheers!
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 13:17:14 (permalink)
Here is my first rough mix on your song....
Need to work on the vocal and correct BV's as to me it is a little out of tune.
Vocals are my weak point...  will come back to it later as my ears are tired.
Without vocals.. http://www.cakewalkowners.com/sb_no_vocal.wav
 
With vocals...http://www.cakewalkowners.com/swamp_blues_Master1.wav
Love the song though.
 
Thoughts?
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 14:07:36 (permalink)
Enjoyed your tune; a lot.
The snare is definitely "buried" in your mix.
Gary's mix sure brings the snare out front, not sure I love the "ring" on it.
Take a listen the Bajun Blues's tune, Barquentine's Gasp; the snare is "solid".
But, I'm touchy across the whole kit when I'm mixing; I'm not a fan of any kit piece that "rings".
Keep tweaking, it'll get there. Rest your ears frequently!
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 16:12:23 (permalink)
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Here is my first rough mix on your song....
Need to work on the vocal and correct BV's as to me it is a little out of tune.
Vocals are my weak point...  will come back to it later as my ears are tired.
Without vocals.. http://www.cakewalkowners.com/sb_no_vocal.wav
 
With vocals...http://www.cakewalkowners.com/swamp_blues_Master1.wav
Love the song though.
 
Thoughts?




Hi Gary...wow your mix is sure full of energy which my mix lacks. It needs that energy. Because I'm not very experienced with mixing and have a pretty limited mixing vocabulary, so to speak, I definitely mixed conservatively. If I was to take a leaf out of your book (and I think I should) I would go for a bit more aggression in the mix.
 
I haven't had a chance to listen to your mix on my main setup yet...just some cans direct into my laptop. So I'll have to listen properly in the morning. 
 
That snare sound wasn't great source material to start with...it's all Ezdrummer midi converted to audio and I think I stuffed up the sound right out of ezDrummer...my original mixes had the bus compressor going crazy smashing down the snare and therefore the whole song, because I hadn't realised quite a number of the hits were pretty much clipping. As you said...the BU vocals are probably not all right on the money, but I will say collectively, in my mix anyway, they seem ok enough to me. If you put them under the microscope individually, they probably sound rough around the edges. 
 
Are you going to keep going with it? It's an interesting exercise to see how you treat it. I'll almost definitely go back into my mix and see if I can inject more aggression, like you have. Look forward to hearing how it goes, if you keep at it. 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 19:07:43 (permalink)
I am going to keep at it.
I enjoy the song...  so its a learning curve for me too :-)
I know what I want in my head... its just translating it into the real world :-)

As I said this was only a rough mix...  Im enjoying having ago at it  :-)
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 19:35:02 (permalink)
Yep, no worries at all. I'm a mixing novice, so its all a learning experience I'm happy to have!
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/27 20:56:34 (permalink)
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Yep, no worries at all. I'm a mixing novice, so its all a learning experience I'm happy to have!


And so am I too...

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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/29 19:29:57 (permalink)
Hey Montezume - the song and mix are good.  The only thing I wasn't a fan of was the hand claps.  But I liked the song Good job overall.
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/29 20:43:48 (permalink)
How come you don't like the handclaps? They sound badly recorded or they just sound cheesy or what?
 
I think I'll do another mix of this at some stage. It should be a lot beefier. I think there's compressors somewhere sucking the life out of it. There certainly was a compressor slamming the snare down right on the snare track...and another compressor being hit by overly loud snare hits on the stereo bus...which dragged down and smeared the whole output. I made some careless moves in the Ezdrummer midi drum stage of sorting out the drums. But it's a thread I can't seem to trace back to any origin. So, I'll probably strip it down and go all the way back to the midi drum set up and see what's going on there. 
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Re: Swamp Blues - mix comments 2018/04/30 09:32:45 (permalink)
As I have stated before...  I liked the song a lot.
The lyrics made me smile and your vocals have a good "strange sound".
I didn't mind the handclaps...  they pricked your ear up in the mix.

My mix was a rough one... not much done on eq etc...  but im going to give it more time.
I thought the song lacked energy..  the snare I added somehow gave it that  (need to gate it) and I put a little distortion on the bass.

I have enjoyed learning on this project...  but i love this kid of music and have blues band myself.

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