Sync to audio output from drum machine

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2013/04/21 23:23:06 (permalink)

Sync to audio output from drum machine

Hello All -- First a disclaimer - I am a newbie to digital recording. Now to the problem. I am using a Boss DR3 drum machine and am recording an audio based drum track directly from the machine into Sonar. Now I want to allign the drum track with Sonar's metronome and time grid. I have read many posts on snap to grid, but I can't make it work. Any help would be most appreciated. Thanks, Peter
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    tomixornot
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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 04:42:46 (permalink)
    While awaiting answer that directly touches on snap to grid, etc.. 2 options that may help :

    If the project is still new (no other audio track except the drums) and you still have the drum machine, it's much easier to start again. You need to turn midi sync on, so when Sonar starts, the DR3 would start at the same time. Re-record the drums for perfect timing lock in.

    If you can't have access to the DR3 to record again (and you don't have other track recorded yet), you can trim the beginning of the drums audio to begin exactly at first beat, and drag it to the very beginning of the track, then set the tempo to match the original DR3 tempo (provided there is no tempo changes).

    Sometimes after I've imported an mp3 file to the audio, that is what I do (using option 2) - align the start beat at bar 1, and manually set the tempo until it matches perfectly - especially if the mp3 timing is solid (not live band playing).

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 10:42:10 (permalink)
    The drum machine has a tempo setting, so you need to have the same tempo setting as the sonar project and then you just line it up, using the snap to grid. But snap to grid will only work if your audio is adhering to the projects tempo/grid lines.

    NOTE: changing the projects tempo doesn't change the way the audio sounds. It just moves the timeline/measures/beats.

    But you need to make sure the drum machine is playing at the projects tempo.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 11:16:56 (permalink)
    You will need to have the tempo set correct and if you do you should be able to slide the audio to line up with the tempo grid. If that doesn't work, what you need to do is get your tempo map to match the drum machine audio track. Try this: Select the drum audio track -> Select transients in the edit filter (the little drop down menu that allows you to select clip. automation or transients) -> open the Audiosnap pallette  and adjust the threshold so that you have the transients you want included. Then check the box "set project from clip." Hopefully this will align your tempo map with the drum machine audio track, if not there are other ways to do it. Try it and let us know if it works out.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 11:27:47 (permalink)
    No Folks, the drum machine will sync perfectly with Sonar, I use an old Boss 505 this way. It will even follow Sonars tempo map. 

    Just set the drum machine in MIDI SYNC mode and away you go.  Sonars clock takes over from the drum machines clock. Now you can record the analog output of any pattern. 

    Also might have to set Sonars MIDI sync output found in the project dialog box in version 8.5 ) 

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 12:38:08 (permalink)
    Cactus, he said he is recording audio, not MIDI, in his 1st post. so MIDI sync will do nothing. Audio is not MIDI. MIDI is just information/data.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 13:42:29 (permalink)
    Good point about syncing for future use and/or retracking the part.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 14:43:52 (permalink)
    im not sure the sounds of the boss are going to be as good as session drummer or another vst-i
    this is very possible and it involves (midi machine control).
    you need to set this up in sonar. under preferences./midi I believe.
    I used to do this a lot until  I started using my drum machine to trigger session drummer instead.
    this way they're midi notes, you can edit them easy.

    heres the video I made about using your drum machine to trigger session drummer:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjZS61Wg-XY

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 14:51:04 (permalink)
    by the way, ive explained this so many times here, I just don't feel like writing it out again, so just do a search and if you find one of my posts it will walk you through step by step using mmc if you really want, cactus was the closest one here.
    you cant line up the audio, it drifts, you then need to adjust the timeline every bar which is a pain.
    you need to use midi synch + mmc

    if you really want to progress in writing drum parts use the piano roll.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruAnAPR6-hQ

    I made 3 video on using drums with sonar/writing drums with sonar.
    just find my you tube page, youll see them.

    good luck.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/22 23:12:51 (permalink)
    ( edit for Chuck ) CJ READ MY POST slowly--- and think for a minute ... If the drum machine is set to MIDI  sync then Sonar will control it and the OP can use the patterns. 
    I read that is what he wants to do, use the audio sound of the drum machine , record it into Sonar and then play in sync. 

    I'm not talking about recording MIDI. 

    What he did was played a pattern using the drum machines clock and recorded the audio. Now it will drift out of sync no matter what you do. 

    If you use Sonars clock then the sound of the pattern will match Sonars project tempo..perfectly ,,, forever...  I know it works cause I've done it. 
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2013/04/23 11:22:38

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/23 00:06:21 (permalink)
    did I not say you were the closest one here.
    your right its midi synch.
    did I not mention it was midi synch ? sorry, I thought I did. matter of fact I did.

    second question, have you seen the Boss DR3 drum machine ?
    why not suggest he use the samples from session drummer?
    there like 20Xbetter than the 100 drum machine and probably have samples twice as superior.
    maybe he didn't know this was possible, but if someone suggest using midi samples and using midi to trigger his loops is like again 20Xeasier to work with.

    all he's got to do is write all his parts in the drum machine and press play to trigger session drummers samples.
    sound easier than working with a boss's audio track ?
    not to mention he will only have a stereo track for his drums.
    by using it with midi you can have each drum piece on separate tracks.

    were not talking about a live kit here, if that was the case we would in a whole different world.
    were talking about midi signals inside a drum machine being routed and recorded in a wave file.
    why not keep it all midi ?
    unless you think editing audio files is easier than editing wave files. not.

    read my post slowly ? .. all in caps ?
    that's just a little ignorant don't you think ??

    and rightfully so you deserve a reply like the one ive just gave.

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    Re:Sync to audio output from drum machine 2013/04/23 11:20:24 (permalink)
    Sorry Charlie,  I guess I should have said "CJ" read my post. He seemed to have not.  But I see you did mention MMC which is another way of controlling some drum machines, not sure if his will have that feature.  But even my 505 which I think is from 1984 has MIDI sync, It takes 2 seconds to push the right button. 

    An when someone ask how to do something I don't think it's my place to ask why. Sure there are a million ways to produce music with different combos of gear. I saw he wanted to record his patterns and I too have used drum machine patterns over the years so I have given a simple way to sync Sonar with his machine. Period.  

    My drum machine is permanently hooked up to my MIDI out port and then is monitored through my mixer. I find plenty of uses for this old beast still. In less than a minute I can record a song idea using patterns I have used for 30 years now. My patterns. 

    Also don't forget that a modern producer might just like the sound of a particular drum machine and this sure saves time digging through the 1,000 of samples we have in those libraries. Drum machines are retro cool, I wish I'd kept my original Analog box that came with a 1960's organ. We made a lot of money with that terrible sounding thing. And now I hear those sounds again in Electronic productions.   

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