jkakos1104
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Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
Hey, dont mean to conjure up topics that have probably been beaten to death but after doing some searching on "audio-midi synch" I still cant find a solution. PROBLEM - When playing back recorded audio (whether it's guitar or bass) the timing is off. The timing is either off right at the start of the song OR it stays in rhythm but tapers off toward the end. For example, if I do a quick 1-2 minute song, usually there's no problem; if it's 3-4 minutes I have to split clips and go into the Clip Properties to change the START time so it plays in synch with the midi drums (Session Drummer). I've changed the Playback/Record buffer sizes from 64 to 128 to 256 but it doesn't seem to work. I've also updated the drivers for the Lambda sound card (which I assume is not highly recommended for Sonar). I'm wasting a lot of time messin' with audio clips. Appreciate anybody's help. HP Pavilion DV4 O/S - Vista (unfortunately) Processor - AMD Turion 2.1 Ghz 4G Memory (64-bit) Sonar 8.5 Producer Sound Card - Lexicon Lambda Audio Options Buffers in Playback Queue - 2 Buffer Size - 10.0 sec (441 Samples) Driver Mode - WDM/KS Dithering - Triangular
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Beagle
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/24 14:18:40
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in OPTIONS>AUDIO what is listed as the PLAYBACK DEVICE and the RECORDING DEVICE?
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/24 14:28:15
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Hey, thanks for the response. It's showing "1: USB Audio Device" (the audio bit is 16 with "64-bit Double Precision Engine" checked, in case ya needed to know).
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/24 14:33:33
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that's not what I would have expected for the lambda, but it might be correct. try changing to ASIO driver mode instead. what you're describing could be a couple of problems. it could be mismatch between soundcards' clocks - i.e. trying to use 2 different soundcards at the same time for recording and tracking, or it could be a sample rate mismatch problem. we'll look at that later if this doesn't work. OPTIONS>AUDIO>DRIVER MODE = ASIO click APPLY. NOTE: your tracks that you've already recorded which are not lined up will probably have to be re-recorded - our fix, whether it's this or the sample rate will not realign them.
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/24 14:40:19
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Yeah, not sure why it wouldn't show Lambda in these two fields. In Control Panel - Sounds it shows Lambda only on the Recording tab; for Playback it just states 4-USB Audio Device. What's funny is that I changed the driver mode to ASIO and when I re-opened Sonar and tried to open the Audio, it gave me a fatal error. It actually wouldn't allow me to go back into the AUDIO folder. I finally unplugged the sound card and re-started the computer, then changed it back to WMD. WTF?
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Beagle
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/24 22:57:12
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hmm. not sure what's going on there. do you have the latest drivers?
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/25 14:38:50
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Yeah I just downloaded them. Any other clues? Appreciate your help.
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/25 15:01:12
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http://www.lexiconpro.com...p?id=8#downloads So looks like it has drivers for vista, It also claims to work with Vista 64 bit. Sample Rate 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz (determined by computer application) It would seem to be a good interface. But as Beagle is pointing out, you need to make sure it is the only audio interface involved. On some systems you have to totally disable all traces of your on board sound card to avoid conflicts. Look at the bottom of the Sonar screen and note which sample and bit rate are showing. There are 2 places you need to go and set this up. Global options / Audio ? and Audio options. Also there will be an ASIO control panel for your interface where things need to be set. Sorry I'm not at my DAW so can't quote exact places. Your issue is what happens when word clock is not right. You need your interface to be the source for word clock.
post edited by Cactus Music - 2011/03/25 15:05:04
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/25 16:58:55
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Hey, thanks for the response. I did download the Vista drivers so were set there. Ok, now how do I make sure there are no conflicts with the computer's on-board sound card? I went into Control Panel - Sounds/Hardware and made sure the Lexicon Lambda is selected as default but I assume there's somewhere else I should check?? At the bottom of the Sonar screen it's showing 44.1 / 16 bit. You mentioned ASIO - I'm using WDM. When I select ASIO, I get a fatal error (??).
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/25 19:39:06
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Does the manual say it has ASIO drivers? I don't see that on the web site. So if not then you will have to use the WDM drivers. Seems like a company like Lexicon would be using the ASIO drivers. Go to control panel and look for a icon for the interface. Open that and see what's available for different sample and bit rates. And if it has a help menu. While your in control panel go to device manager and Hardware, and disable your on board sound there. You can always enable it again. Setting it under the audio control panel does not always work. That's more for Windows sounds.
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/27 11:39:05
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Actually I just checked it out and yes, it says ASIO drivers. But I've been using it fine for like two years now. I'll reinstall and see what happens. But what about the errors I'm getting when I select ASIO in Sonar? Any ideas? Really appreciate your feedback.
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/27 14:26:32
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How about checking the clock source is set to "audio"? Edit > Preferences > Project - Clock and select audio. If it is set to "internal" there will be drift between Midi and audio. Bill B
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jkakos1104
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/31 12:14:07
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Thanks Bill. Yes, I checked that too. SOLVED - Basically what happened was the old audio, recorded at different buffers and play/read caches was conflicting with the new audio. So, I had to DELETE basically all the audio and re-record. F was that a pain in the ass but soooooo worth it. Appreciate everybody's help. Thanks.
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Re:Synch - Sonar 8.5 (Audio)
2011/03/31 13:55:11
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Somehow that doesn't make sense to me. A project has a set clock rate and as stated should be controlled by one source, best if this is your interface. If your old tracks where recorded in that same project, with same interface, at 44.1 then all should always line up. Only changing the clock rate ( don't think this is possible ) or clock source would effect the new tracks. Might be you were using a different clock source before. But I transfer projects between computers using totality different interfaces and have never had an issue. That's a shame you had to start over. What you could have done is started a fresh project and just imported the audio files, you shouldn't have had to nuke them.
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