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TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
Down to these 2 (I think) :)
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/20 18:16:25
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☄ Helpfulby glennstanton 2016/12/03 10:48:06
I have the Steinberg US22, and it is quite solid.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/20 20:34:55
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Love my Tascam US-16x08, so I'm biased. Both of the units you're considering can be powered separately, and not just from the USB buss, which is great, but... One difference I note is that the Tascam takes a standard DC power plug & brick, while the Steinberg uses a second USB port. I think that makes the Tascam a little more flexible. My Nektar P6 has 2 USB ports, one for communicating and one for power, so that ties up 2 ports on my PC. I happen to have plenty (6 USB2 and 4 USB3), so not a problem for me. Just something to be aware of. Drivers for the US-NxN series are developed and supported in-house by Tascam. Maybe Bob can clarify the driver development for his UR22. I really like the Tascam preamps, and I especially like the fact that the mains are buffered on power up/down. No pops, if I forget to turn my monitors off first. I'm assuming that the US-2x2 has the same buffering. That is worth something to pre-Alzheimer's me!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/21 10:09:26
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Or use a good wall/usb transformer?
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 04:09:03
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 06:45:20
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I have a Tascam (backup unit). It is OK, but can't really compete with my MOTU unit.
I respect Craig Anderton and he is very knowledgeable but you also have to consider he works for Gibson, who owns Cakewalk and Tascam. Several years ago, he was (apparently) affiliated in some way with Roland and was endorsing the Roland Octa-Capture recording interface unit.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 07:27:18
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To be fair to Craig, he does acknowledge his involvement with Gibson/Tascam in his post and he tries to stick to facts rather than subjective opinion.
And with all due respect, your MOTU is many times more expensive than either the Tascam or Steinberg.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 08:28:41
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I got the UR22 MKII to use with an iPad. It works great for that and I really like it. With all of these small interfaces, manufacturers speak to how great the preamps are for the cost. With the UR22 MKII d-pre (yamaha) - it's the truth. These are one of the best small interface preamps I've heard this side of the Tascam UH7000. They sound very open/clear with a natural sounding warmth. Surprising for the cost.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 09:35:09
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There are places, other than this forum, where he is touting Gibson products. e.g. there are a couple of videos on the Sweetwater Music web site of him "talking" about several Gibson owned products.
As I noted Craig is very knowledgeable and I consider him in the "Guru" category for his many years with music electronics.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 10:41:31
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I ordered the Tascam 2x2. I hope it has a lot more input gain than the new M-audio 2x2!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 11:25:32
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I have the Steinberg US22, and it is quite solid.
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Another vote for the UR22. Love the D-Pres! I've owned the higher end Steinberg models, and they also have a rep for being reliable. I read a forum post from an ADK employee (DAW builders and audio retailers) who said that out of all of the hardware they sell, they get the least amount of service calls on RME and Steinberg. We all know the reliability of the RME name, and for Steinberg to be mentioned in the same category, to me, says a lot. All that being said, I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either unit.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 11:54:27
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I see you made the leap. I think I would go with the Tascam too.
First the Tascam has the line/inst toggle
Someone mentioned the Steinberg having option for second USB power,,, I do not see that looking at the pictures, so the Tascam wins again having the A/C power option. And the Tascam "looks" solid and has all the good stuff on the front panel.
Steinberg is Yamaha and they certainly are a company I trust.
We bought a Yamaha mixer with USB for the band and it uses Steinberg ASIO drivers. Very reliable and had no problem co existing with my Tascam drivers. I could put my Laptop in WDM mode and use both side by side. So both companies are writing good drivers.
Pre amp wise both are probably in the same camp. I have a small Yamaha mixer which probably uses the same off the self pre's. Every manufacture will claim that their pre amps are awesome. But you get what you pay for with Pre amps and A/D convertors these day's.
My favourite test is using headphones, turn up a pre amp and see how noisy it gets with nothing plugged in. That's why I bough my Yamaha mixer ,and a Mackie. The B brand was the worst and A&H close behind.
My Tascam interface is also pretty quiet under this test and I read they have uped the quality on the new models,, this is why my next interface will be the Tascam UH 7000.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 12:18:44
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/24 18:25:25
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I see you made the leap. I think I would go with the Tascam too.
First the Tascam has the line/inst toggle
Someone mentioned the Steinberg having option for second USB power,,, I do not see that looking at the pictures, so the Tascam wins again having the A/C power option. And the Tascam "looks" solid and has all the good stuff on the front panel.
Steinberg is Yamaha and they certainly are a company I trust.
We bought a Yamaha mixer with USB for the band and it uses Steinberg ASIO drivers. Very reliable and had no problem co existing with my Tascam drivers. I could put my Laptop in WDM mode and use both side by side. So both companies are writing good drivers.
Pre amp wise both are probably in the same camp. I have a small Yamaha mixer which probably uses the same off the self pre's. Every manufacture will claim that their pre amps are awesome. But you get what you pay for with Pre amps and A/D convertors these day's.
My favourite test is using headphones, turn up a pre amp and see how noisy it gets with nothing plugged in. That's why I bough my Yamaha mixer ,and a Mackie. The B brand was the worst and A&H close behind.
My Tascam interface is also pretty quiet under this test and I read they have uped the quality on the new models,, this is why my next interface will be the Tascam UH 7000.
Thanks, Johnny I'm hoping the line/inst option will help my gain issues. I'll let you know tomorrow. bob
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/25 10:17:37
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TASCAM is funny. I fully expect the 2x2 to match up with Steinberg at the same price point - there really shouldn't be a spit's difference between them. How different can the components be, or design? Now drivers, the are different. But sound? One $100 interface is going to sound pretty much like any other.
The NxN series share the same drivers, so work on one helps all the others (note: this is not true from the 7000 series). And as far as I can tell (tho I didn't pour over the specs) most of the NxN use the same hardware, except for the 20X20. It's pres have more gain I noticed. I think it is more likely to stand side-by-side with Motu and other higher-end products. I've used the 20x20 and it sounds very, very good. Maybe not as good as the 7000 (at least the pres), but I find I can use them interchangeably and not worry about it.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/25 10:34:40
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My bad , I googled the ur22mrkII and the picture was on Musicians friend, I guess they sell the old model. The fact that Steinberg added the power option to the updated model shows the manufactures are smarting up about buss power..I mean how much does it cost to add that?
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/25 20:36:46
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I got the Tascam. Love it, Love it! Plenty of input and output gain, quiet, very musical sounding. Install was a non-issue with Win 7.
Only complaint are the little knobs, especially the line out but like they say "form follows function"!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/26 09:02:43
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Thanks for the update and that you got the problems resolved.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/30 12:46:34
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My only rant is it doesn't come with that power supply. My iTrack solo does. As for Tascam they make a lot of doorstops, but that probably isn't the case with USB 2 units. The UR22 comes with a lite version of Cubase just in case you want to move up to their food chain.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/08/30 16:41:01
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There's not a spits difference!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/02 20:13:14
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Guys
I got and love the Tascam 2x2 but recently I lost the " what you hear" function in Win 7 Pro x64. I use it a lot in Sound Forge to record you tube songs to learn in the band. In Windows sound properties, I have mixing driver selected as the default device but the level meter never displays anything on any choice.
Also, Windows sound recorder doesn't work so I know it's not just SF.
I'm asking here because you guys have always been really helpful and knowledgeable!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/03 10:17:07
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Guys
I got and love the Tascam 2x2 but recently I lost the " what you hear" function in Win 7 Pro x64. I use it a lot in Sound Forge to record you tube songs to learn in the band. In Windows sound properties, I have mixing driver selected as the default device but the level meter never displays anything on any choice.
Also, Windows sound recorder doesn't work so I know it's not just SF.
I'm asking here because you guys have always been really helpful and knowledgeable!
Thanks
bob
A couple of questions: 1) By "recently", do you mean after updating to the v2.0 driver in early November? 2) Are you talking about Windows default Recording device or Playback device, or both? 3) If both, which level meter are you looking at? I have the 16x08, and it just got the Mixing driver added to it in v2.0. The 2x2 and 4x4 got the Mixing driver back with v1.30 in July. One solution to look at, and one that you could find several other good uses for, is to use VoiceMeeter Banana. FWIW, it's donationware. I gave €20 for it. But it runs full-function without a donation. Super easy to test. Actively updated. Been very stable for me. http://vb-audio.pagesperso-orange.fr/Voicemeeter/banana.htm There are a lot of videos on it. Here's one.
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/03 10:50:47
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Thanks so much for your help. This was nothing to do with 2.0, I actually updated to it and it did not help. A tascam Tech said to roll back which I did.
I'm talking Windows default recording device. Playback is fine. The "meters" are in the windows/sound/recording panel. Each device has a level meter that usually shows activity like the playback panel. I get no activity on any choice.
I'm sure it's not a Sound Forge issue because Windows sound recorder isn't working either.
I'm not sure when it stopped working because I don't use this all the time, even rolled backed Windows a few months with no results.
I'll check out the link you provided.
Thanks again for your help,
Bob
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/06 13:11:50
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Voicemeeter fixed the issue!
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/06 14:08:13
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/06 15:49:35
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I use this all time to directly download utubes. There is the option to just download the audio. Best thing about this is you don't install anything locally. Just copy paste the u tube ulr into the dialog box and that's it. http://en.savefrom.net/1-how-to-download-youtube-video/
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/06 16:20:43
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There are places, other than this forum, where he is touting Gibson products. e.g. there are a couple of videos on the Sweetwater Music web site of him "talking" about several Gibson owned products.
As I noted Craig is very knowledgeable and I consider him in the "Guru" category for his many years with music electronics.
Yes, and that's when he's clearly acting in his VP role with the company. His contributions here are his own, clearly stated so. Also, it's completely bogus to compare a $1-2K interface to a $100-200 one. A lesson learned from the collapse of Polaroid was the head of R&D's admission (in a Harvard Business Review case study) that they didn't know when "good was good enough". While they kept trying to get that last little bit of technical brilliance into their new generation of products, the market and their competitors left them in the dust. Serious question for you... Which would yield a better sounding unprocessed vocal track in SONAR, the best mic in the mic cabinet run through a UR22mkII, or an entry level mic like a cheap Asian knockoff off of a Shure SM58 run through your Motu?
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Re: TASCAM US-2x2 vs. Steinberg UR22mkII
2016/12/06 21:26:23
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